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[词典考据] dog food@21世纪大英汉

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发表于 2021-5-5 13:23:19 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
本帖最后由 klwo2 于 2021-5-5 13:23 编辑
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4 b" [# k8 h, Edog food 一般就是狗粮,可是21世纪大英汉词典说:1 t# a9 Y# H; ^

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dog food# I' `4 |& s& A4 I& E
美军俚语(美国海军于第二次世界大战期间吃的)腌牛肉末土豆泥
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Green’s Dictionary of Slang' M3 O' W0 `' s! z
dog food n.13 \/ e' u& T  G) f0 G% k$ g2 r! m
1. [1940s–60s] (US) any form of canned meat.
( @% W8 d. r4 d# w2. [1970s] any food considered disgusting.- r" t; g4 ]: I; v* Z( C4 L
dog food n.2
# ~# P' ^4 ^% t3 Y9 E[1960s] (US black) a bribe paid to a corrupt police officer., ^& T2 ~" x1 \2 V! n. h6 e
dog food n.3
" E, Q# h4 V- H4 r8 ^6 O- d1 @[1970s+] (US gay) a soldier, viewed as a potential sexual partner.
: X' e% d2 c8 i' \dog food n.4
' k4 M6 E* K8 R7 I[1980s+] (drugs) heroin.
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( h5 D" l1 j! Y9 fGreen’s Dictionary of Slang 收了几个俚语意思,包括「毒品」义,不过没有21世纪大英汉的这个腌牛肉末土豆泥…… 2 D8 x1 Q, I8 I9 ^8 u) T- _

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Stevie Wonder 于1976年发行的歌曲,Village Ghetto Land, 歌词里面用了dog food:
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Families buying dog food now
- y$ l) ^% d% z  s6 C1 Y; a" CStarvation roams the streets! _6 ?; G  x2 m; U  p7 p/ V1 ~
Babies die before they're born$ \# z  G0 t: e# S* c" X
Infected by the grief

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/ T0 S3 X# @9 |% J网易云音乐提供的中文翻译里,说「家庭依靠毒品来维生」……不妥
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+ w/ E' T2 x/ q7 T8 ?1)从上下文看,根本不需要用俚语意义,「狗粮」是说得通的# B5 G4 m  T* L& _% u$ P
2)Green’s Dictionary of Slang 里面,毒品这个意义是1980年以后出现的,而歌曲本身于1976年发行,不合. t& S9 `3 ?1 O
3)如果要用俚语意义,「any food considered disgusting.」更妥,可以翻成「狗(才)吃的东西」4 ?8 @4 b; M) I" `; }# v

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    Dog Food: Corned beef hash.  S" J3 X; b% a( B1 P& {

      N1 s% k4 v! L& TSource: https://www.wwiidogtags.com/ww2-slang/

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    本帖最后由 kyletruman 于 2021-5-5 16:38 编辑
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    3 x) X5 ~5 n3 j- F( C7 j; Hwiki百科翻译成 犬粮,或称狗粮,dog food @ 中文wiki百科(dog food在英文wiki百科切换成中文界面),dog food @ Wikipedia
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    发表于 2021-5-5 15:37:01 | 显示全部楼层
    原来如此。学习了。有一个大神级的前辈,真是太好了。

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    loveaffairs 发表于 2021-5-5 15:08
    . g7 B7 D* N2 C( G9 }- ?Dog Food: Corned beef hash.5 B: u% b8 u; u/ H

    7 B$ g0 m- t7 h4 R- V( @Source: https://www.wwiidogtags.com/ww2-slang/

    ( F- E) I- A% l1 `" t7 b多谢,21世纪大英汉倒还真参考了些偏门书5 `* J3 D8 R) D/ |, P- Z
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    把Corned beef hash叫Dog Food,应该就是因为两者看着像闻着也像:
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    Even though that canned hash looks and smells like dog food it is not healthy for them...
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    klwo2 发表于 2021-5-5 17:27  R* c7 e/ p$ X" v8 ]
    多谢,21世纪大英汉倒还真参考了些偏门书6 S, g6 \# J+ I$ |* s$ w

    $ j: [% ~+ y0 r1 v4 C把Corned beef hash叫Dog Food,应该就是因为两者看着像闻着也 ...

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    % v: s3 k/ Q' g% k& u! g- b21世纪大英汉部分释义来源是Collins English Dictionary(之前看过Oeasy版主的帖子,那个帖子的具体位置我记不清了),另外,dog food只找到了涉及beef方面的语料库:
    The dog food industry was spending an incredible $50 million a year on advertising. Commercials centered around the "beef wars," with competing companies all claiming to have the most pure beef. (Bonanza star Lorne Greene did a TV commercial for Alpo …holding a sirloin steak.)
    https://www.neatorama.com/pet/2013/05/20/Kibble-Me-This-The-History-of-Dog-Food/
    Have you ever wondered, when looking at the ingredients of your dog’s favorite kibble, what “meat meal” is? Or how much cow is actually in a “beefy” can of dog food?
    https://nycdoggies.com/wellness/dog-food-the-story-of-kibble/
    in which the actor Lorne Greene dishes up a can of beef chunks for his golden retriever.
    https://newrepublic.com/article/115349/dogfooding-tech-slang-working-out-glitches,21世纪大英汉编纂者可能是从语料库中总结出来的释义。$ g* c) `7 k7 ^) P* \* s& l- j! @: _
    (Google英文搜索的,其他人可以用Google搜索帮忙找一下,输入不同的关键字,搜索结果不同)
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    Dr. eye dictionary online 查这个dog food居然有四个释义。。  不知道他的汉译哪里来的,第一个解释还是个新义:“内部试用;内部试用的软件”。
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    loveaffairs 发表于 2021-5-5 15:08
    1 \/ ~8 g4 J/ ?3 [" uDog Food: Corned beef hash.
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    Source: https://www.wwiidogtags.com/ww2-slang/

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    Urban Dictionary 里面的“狗粮骗局”
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    dogfood scam8 g; S" |/ ~5 ~( V3 }2 g4 b
    1. A old school scam used by bums to get money by using a can of dog food and a can of cornbeef and hash. The can of dog food is emptied and cleaned out and the cornbeef is placed in the dogfood can. The bum then sits outside a grocery store eating from the dogfood can and is given money by strangers that think the poor bum is eating dogfood.! ]: T7 L8 a3 o/ `& Q6 P
    2. Any scam where a bum lowers himself to a unethical level, such as pretending to have no legs.

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    发表于 2021-5-11 20:14:14 | 显示全部楼层
    本帖最后由 MYsedulous 于 2021-5-14 11:06 编辑
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    9 \& |+ `+ s- P! C0 e2 t: B" H% C我一直说啊,资料不全会发生很多问题,知道2楼的资料出处在哪儿吗?4 W( w& Q) o- Q* n8 N0 j. A

    2 }& p4 m& H* c% P/ `: iGreen的书太大其实并不全,引他的东西一定要注意。研究美国俚语不是最早的但绝对是学术性的开山鼻祖是Harold Wentworth和Stuart Berg Flexner(此君就不用我介绍了)合著的Dictinary of American Slang, 在该词典dog food条就有此解。
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