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[词典讨论] 词典里的Big Mess Construction,兼推荐Vocabulary.com Examples

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发表于 2020-4-30 19:51:02 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
本帖最后由 klwo2 于 2020-4-30 19:51 编辑 ( y# ~5 G# s, }, @% k
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我发现Big Mess Construction好像是比较新的英语语法现象,所以利用Goldendict 全文搜索搜了一下「 as big a 」,你们猜怎么着,真的哎!0 Q0 [' D4 r$ L& V* \

6 r( A8 S, r7 u7 N* b# h先说原句:Even though gas-fired heating and cooking can be at least as big a source of greenhouse-gas emissions, renewable heating gets minuscule attention.
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虽说用天然气取暖啊做饭啊也是挺大的一个排放源,排放起温室气体来,不比别的能源逊色,可是那些个可再生的取暖法、取暖能源也没多少人关注。
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! U7 X* r5 p, ?2 W/ c这句子还是有点绕的。全文搜索发现,有的词典里面有类似的句子。牛津高阶10:" g$ J" J) C0 G1 C% ^1 G6 d
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Housing has become almost as big a problem as education.
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老版的牛津高阶没有。
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1999年的句子, [. F5 ^" ^: ~, W3 f
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, x% U( z1 B9 ]0 n# x+ i! }There is almost as big a market for bootleg disk records as there is for bootlegged books.
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The Liu was almost as big a pain in the neck as the previous night's Preziosilla.

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Intrapreneurs, the people who start new businesses inside established companies, will soon be as big a catchword as entrepreneurs (Economist).
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是例子最多最丰富的是这本!!!Vocabulary.com Examples!!
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) Y, X/ A" y& R) i0 ^随便一摘就是哗啦啦的句子,名报名刊名家!!$ ?9 n# T1 U4 A5 p2 b( F
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150. Ms. Johnson, while not a native of Louisiana, was as big a champion of the region as anyone.. \7 A3 U% `$ I- s
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179. This one seemed as big a mismatch with the Harrison twins and bevy of big bodies to control the struggling Gamecocks.
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42. "It put a little dampener on it, but it's just as big a race," Gay said.
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26. “That was about as big a shot of adrenaline as you could ask for,” Robinson said.
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53. According to the film, nearly 50% of young white Americans believe discrimination against whites is as big a problem as discrimination against blacks.
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96. For now, caveat emptor is going to remain as big a part of sushi culture as soy sauce and wasabi.
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我知道有人要笑话我,这不是老宝贝了嘛,怎么又广告起来了?只当是给新来的看看呗!: H" ^' b. \  S7 @  t

, b3 H9 z/ G6 B% U3 x例句第二多的是Urban Dictionary,不过这本有点太俗了,就不多说啦。0 _% X4 G* Q- h; W& Z7 ~' V) P

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    发表于 2020-4-30 22:11:05 | 显示全部楼层
    "Housing has become almost as big a problem as education." ) g3 M4 `0 X1 j5 `
    这个句子并不是BMC吧。这是as……as的结构。 在比较结构中,有as+adj+冠词+名词+as+比较对象这样的结构,还是很有规则的。

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    本帖最后由 klwo2 于 2020-5-1 10:13 编辑 0 u3 o% e5 u( x- w# T4 f
    rococoeer 发表于 2020-4-30 22:113 N$ r* S& t% R8 i: B  F
    "Housing has become almost as big a problem as education." ! u  m2 I* R0 Z! i; p/ M
    这个句子并不是BMC吧。这是as……as的结构 ...

    $ {% H# \) i6 BBig Mess Construction是语法学家叫出来的术语,人家也没说不规则啊,请看Van Eynde, Frank. 2007. The Big Mess Construction. In Muller, Stefan (Ed.), ¨ Proceedings of the 14th International Conference on Head-Driven Phrase StructureGrammar, Stanford Department of Linguistics and CSLI’s LinGO Lab, 415–433.Stanford, CA: CSLI Publications.:
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    In English noun phrases the determiner canonically precedes the prenominal adjectives, both the lexical and the phrasal ones.
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    A notable exception are the adjectival phrases which are introduced by as, so, too," y% a6 M$ Q2 I1 h8 f' _: o" [
    how, this and that.
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    7 R; h6 Y2 W1 {; d4 darticle, they precede the determiner (Huddleston and Pullum, 2002, 435).

    . G5 V' I9 g6 y8 y1 [: \4 u& E1 y% i六个典型词是as so too how this that。
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    这个概念是Berman, J. 1974. Adjectives and adjective complement constructions in English.Ph. D.thesis, Harvard University.里面提出来的,你找作者理论去。
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    随便找找提及Big Mess Construction的论文,有如下例句:. v3 P' u& [: e: A" ], U% R
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    Bob didn’t write [as detailed a proposal] as Sheila did.  G0 _& Y, f0 [* d4 ~# {
    Bob didn’t write [as detailed of a proposal] as Sheila did
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    我可没说不准别个叫它as...as...结构,问题是:, a5 a, I. r+ U# l& T' Z* R

    ; g1 s( v9 S2 l; W) q% @8 c1. 明摆着这个现象是不限于as的, so too how this that 都能这么用,也不一定非有第二个as不可,哪能以偏概全呢?
    / z. H0 l; l1 s  m2. 传统语法书里头没提及as...as...能这么用,你要认可这是as...as...,得扩充传统语法
    9 [, v" J% }, A0 ^0 S3. 要点也不是非要叫什么名字,而是怎么叫方便研究、方便解释。Big Mess Construction现象的要点是,凭嘛形容词能放到冠词前头?「一棵好大的树」「一个跟姚明一样高的小伙子」凭什么能说成「好大的一棵树」「跟姚明一样高的一个小伙子」?你要是归纳成「跟……一样」的特殊用法,就偏了呀
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