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[词典讨论] 词典里的Big Mess Construction,兼推荐Vocabulary.com Examples

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发表于 2020-4-30 19:51:02 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
本帖最后由 klwo2 于 2020-4-30 19:51 编辑 * p3 h, k8 H4 F- P  M0 s9 O
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缘由:9 @; v! P- G  @: Q; q" M0 o, K
https://www.pdawiki.com/forum/thread-40157-1-1.html
  e+ w' [8 a, p$ T' ahttps://www.pdawiki.com/forum/thread-40235-1-1.html
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) N& `. p% L& ]; `. |我发现Big Mess Construction好像是比较新的英语语法现象,所以利用Goldendict 全文搜索搜了一下「 as big a 」,你们猜怎么着,真的哎!
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7 Q; p6 I1 H& z2 u先说原句:Even though gas-fired heating and cooking can be at least as big a source of greenhouse-gas emissions, renewable heating gets minuscule attention.1 |& U3 ^; w  W* _7 S: T" J( C
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虽说用天然气取暖啊做饭啊也是挺大的一个排放源,排放起温室气体来,不比别的能源逊色,可是那些个可再生的取暖法、取暖能源也没多少人关注。. S( S, A; B' e4 ]; {; A* d# r
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这句子还是有点绕的。全文搜索发现,有的词典里面有类似的句子。牛津高阶10:3 F$ A) J' T+ l
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Housing has become almost as big a problem as education.

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<Unanswered e-mail is as big a turnoff as unanswered calls. Consider using your ISP's autoresponder to acknowledge received e-mail. It lets the visitors know their message arrived and gives you an opportunity to thank them for visiting the site. —Victoria Hall Smith, PC World, January 1999>
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1999年的句子
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1929        
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There is almost as big a market for bootleg disk records as there is for bootlegged books.

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Spectator 7 Feb. 175/3& X. e% S' ]: M& ^
The Liu was almost as big a pain in the neck as the previous night's Preziosilla.
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1958年
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% C& X: ]* G1 E1 DWorld Book Dictionary, 2015:" r9 W" o8 d% }. V2 x  R
Intrapreneurs, the people who start new businesses inside established companies, will soon be as big a catchword as entrepreneurs (Economist).

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是例子最多最丰富的是这本!!!Vocabulary.com Examples!!
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没有抱回家的赶快抱回家,学英语不能没有它!(金坷拉!)3 n) s6 W  `: s6 _
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随便一摘就是哗啦啦的句子,名报名刊名家!!2 u# U0 t2 R3 i* X

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150. Ms. Johnson, while not a native of Louisiana, was as big a champion of the region as anyone.
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179. This one seemed as big a mismatch with the Harrison twins and bevy of big bodies to control the struggling Gamecocks.: N  H/ H. I0 l6 s
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42. "It put a little dampener on it, but it's just as big a race," Gay said.* W- g: ?( m0 {$ N8 M. T8 `7 q
Dec 13, 2010 - The Guardian
26. “That was about as big a shot of adrenaline as you could ask for,” Robinson said.% f& |% ~& A# E6 O7 ~% {
Jul 4, 2015 - Washington Times
53. According to the film, nearly 50% of young white Americans believe discrimination against whites is as big a problem as discrimination against blacks.
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96. For now, caveat emptor is going to remain as big a part of sushi culture as soy sauce and wasabi.
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我知道有人要笑话我,这不是老宝贝了嘛,怎么又广告起来了?只当是给新来的看看呗!2 Y- y9 L/ y5 X8 p- K3 C) m
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例句第二多的是Urban Dictionary,不过这本有点太俗了,就不多说啦。
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    发表于 2020-4-30 22:11:05 | 显示全部楼层
    "Housing has become almost as big a problem as education."
    5 Q$ x/ N, _0 n/ H) S' k这个句子并不是BMC吧。这是as……as的结构。 在比较结构中,有as+adj+冠词+名词+as+比较对象这样的结构,还是很有规则的。

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    本帖最后由 klwo2 于 2020-5-1 10:13 编辑 - e  z! k: G4 Y
    rococoeer 发表于 2020-4-30 22:11" a/ }7 [3 H& k! V% b
    "Housing has become almost as big a problem as education."
    , h- ]3 \0 n4 K1 b这个句子并不是BMC吧。这是as……as的结构 ...
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    Big Mess Construction是语法学家叫出来的术语,人家也没说不规则啊,请看Van Eynde, Frank. 2007. The Big Mess Construction. In Muller, Stefan (Ed.), ¨ Proceedings of the 14th International Conference on Head-Driven Phrase StructureGrammar, Stanford Department of Linguistics and CSLI’s LinGO Lab, 415–433.Stanford, CA: CSLI Publications.:
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    In English noun phrases the determiner canonically precedes the prenominal adjectives, both the lexical and the phrasal ones.
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    b. a very big house( C* K' |6 b& n  H+ T0 z& ~' g
    (2) a. * big a house
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    8 m) d/ T" S+ q9 s  u8 u: ZA notable exception are the adjectival phrases which are introduced by as, so, too,  R: t- K6 Q7 O5 D) |
    how, this and that.
    When they occur in a nominal which contains the indefinite
    , F, y0 ~: z. \$ y6 J! H5 B# W% sarticle, they precede the determiner (Huddleston and Pullum, 2002, 435).

    5 {/ w7 l' m8 e+ X: R, r' _六个典型词是as so too how this that。
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      S; X! t2 n  E# b- b/ w; m这个概念是Berman, J. 1974. Adjectives and adjective complement constructions in English.Ph. D.thesis, Harvard University.里面提出来的,你找作者理论去。- N3 Y3 r' Z; D3 }
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    随便找找提及Big Mess Construction的论文,有如下例句:2 i  i& ^5 o  N
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    Bob didn’t write [as detailed a proposal] as Sheila did.
    2 j5 e) U+ A9 p6 DBob didn’t write [as detailed of a proposal] as Sheila did' ~) w1 Z. Z# `; @
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    我可没说不准别个叫它as...as...结构,问题是:" y  n& C( m2 t2 M- |

    3 R, Z; L: w6 E1. 明摆着这个现象是不限于as的, so too how this that 都能这么用,也不一定非有第二个as不可,哪能以偏概全呢?- d. V4 ?# U( p
    2. 传统语法书里头没提及as...as...能这么用,你要认可这是as...as...,得扩充传统语法
    7 r3 u! }1 b' w& F6 g" C3. 要点也不是非要叫什么名字,而是怎么叫方便研究、方便解释。Big Mess Construction现象的要点是,凭嘛形容词能放到冠词前头?「一棵好大的树」「一个跟姚明一样高的小伙子」凭什么能说成「好大的一棵树」「跟姚明一样高的一个小伙子」?你要是归纳成「跟……一样」的特殊用法,就偏了呀* `, `8 a7 a. o3 B4 E

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