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[词典讨论] 词典里的Big Mess Construction,兼推荐Vocabulary.com Examples

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发表于 2020-4-30 19:51:02 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
本帖最后由 klwo2 于 2020-4-30 19:51 编辑
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! x( Q/ `0 }$ J) c# _, p4 Z8 ^* V我发现Big Mess Construction好像是比较新的英语语法现象,所以利用Goldendict 全文搜索搜了一下「 as big a 」,你们猜怎么着,真的哎!
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9 L% u/ W# K! v5 \7 d先说原句:Even though gas-fired heating and cooking can be at least as big a source of greenhouse-gas emissions, renewable heating gets minuscule attention.
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虽说用天然气取暖啊做饭啊也是挺大的一个排放源,排放起温室气体来,不比别的能源逊色,可是那些个可再生的取暖法、取暖能源也没多少人关注。0 I$ F+ g' v0 u- ~! c7 @' [
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这句子还是有点绕的。全文搜索发现,有的词典里面有类似的句子。牛津高阶10:! S! T. Q5 I+ {8 v' f% U
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Housing has become almost as big a problem as education.

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* Z' S* s: O+ x) h/ }( t) GThere is almost as big a market for bootleg disk records as there is for bootlegged books.
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1929年的句子
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The Liu was almost as big a pain in the neck as the previous night's Preziosilla.

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  g, n+ Y) b" ?* R% Q4 eWorld Book Dictionary, 2015:
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Intrapreneurs, the people who start new businesses inside established companies, will soon be as big a catchword as entrepreneurs (Economist).

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  J% u" o9 x# k  M" v是例子最多最丰富的是这本!!!Vocabulary.com Examples!!
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没有抱回家的赶快抱回家,学英语不能没有它!(金坷拉!)7 ?, A9 \6 V( d( r* r9 D8 u1 d

( B. m4 s. H% a" v/ x随便一摘就是哗啦啦的句子,名报名刊名家!!
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150. Ms. Johnson, while not a native of Louisiana, was as big a champion of the region as anyone.
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179. This one seemed as big a mismatch with the Harrison twins and bevy of big bodies to control the struggling Gamecocks.
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42. "It put a little dampener on it, but it's just as big a race," Gay said.
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26. “That was about as big a shot of adrenaline as you could ask for,” Robinson said.
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53. According to the film, nearly 50% of young white Americans believe discrimination against whites is as big a problem as discrimination against blacks." A9 P$ [% ~( U3 B; q
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96. For now, caveat emptor is going to remain as big a part of sushi culture as soy sauce and wasabi.
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- q$ m, x$ q8 p2 T) U9 v例句第二多的是Urban Dictionary,不过这本有点太俗了,就不多说啦。
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    发表于 2020-4-30 22:11:05 | 显示全部楼层
    "Housing has become almost as big a problem as education." - r2 H' M8 d% s$ d
    这个句子并不是BMC吧。这是as……as的结构。 在比较结构中,有as+adj+冠词+名词+as+比较对象这样的结构,还是很有规则的。

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    本帖最后由 klwo2 于 2020-5-1 10:13 编辑 & b5 k2 k' m2 J- P
    rococoeer 发表于 2020-4-30 22:11
    ( v5 i* K# f( d# j"Housing has become almost as big a problem as education." : \. ^( X) T+ v+ s3 C2 Q
    这个句子并不是BMC吧。这是as……as的结构 ...

    0 k& r4 F" l1 d  C, W/ _* KBig Mess Construction是语法学家叫出来的术语,人家也没说不规则啊,请看Van Eynde, Frank. 2007. The Big Mess Construction. In Muller, Stefan (Ed.), ¨ Proceedings of the 14th International Conference on Head-Driven Phrase StructureGrammar, Stanford Department of Linguistics and CSLI’s LinGO Lab, 415–433.Stanford, CA: CSLI Publications.:% N% G% M% ]0 i8 {/ D  R6 W
    In English noun phrases the determiner canonically precedes the prenominal adjectives, both the lexical and the phrasal ones.
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    b. a very big house
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    A notable exception are the adjectival phrases which are introduced by as, so, too,
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    When they occur in a nominal which contains the indefinite
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    - G: b0 l1 e6 O# {+ ~六个典型词是as so too how this that。* L$ q& j# P( A! ^+ L" n4 h7 N& p
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    这个概念是Berman, J. 1974. Adjectives and adjective complement constructions in English.Ph. D.thesis, Harvard University.里面提出来的,你找作者理论去。6 r1 ?7 t/ H5 d
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    随便找找提及Big Mess Construction的论文,有如下例句:
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    Bob didn’t write [as detailed a proposal] as Sheila did.
    $ N  m5 Y/ u% |0 l  q' r+ Z- SBob didn’t write [as detailed of a proposal] as Sheila did% i# C* ]0 D8 h2 I+ l3 @
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    我可没说不准别个叫它as...as...结构,问题是:* ~" T( T% ]5 _& t6 l' C* y6 ^

    % E0 v6 p0 X& G5 w1. 明摆着这个现象是不限于as的, so too how this that 都能这么用,也不一定非有第二个as不可,哪能以偏概全呢?
    + Y. y+ O/ `: x: P+ J- }2. 传统语法书里头没提及as...as...能这么用,你要认可这是as...as...,得扩充传统语法
    $ D2 ?$ x6 q8 d6 o8 D3. 要点也不是非要叫什么名字,而是怎么叫方便研究、方便解释。Big Mess Construction现象的要点是,凭嘛形容词能放到冠词前头?「一棵好大的树」「一个跟姚明一样高的小伙子」凭什么能说成「好大的一棵树」「跟姚明一样高的一个小伙子」?你要是归纳成「跟……一样」的特殊用法,就偏了呀+ j" Y: N# M) w* _, k, T
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