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[词典讨论] idioms和Phrasal verbs词典也是少不了的

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发表于 2014-9-12 20:39:33 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
take the heat. N+ o2 e) R' X1 N+ K# k
sign off on3 n. @) ^: \2 K
take pains to
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  @, E5 C$ t( M9 `这种最讨厌,每个词都认识,连在一起意思就完全不同% R" \9 J4 K4 I; t  z
多数词典还都不收,或者即使收了,也常常被淹没在主词条的一大堆释义里面,查得率很低
9 u+ o- F1 v9 L" U& i( n  O这时候就得靠idioms和Phrasal verbs词典& @( P- ~+ m' X- D; ~% e6 T8 J
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0 W, c+ W. j5 V' p' X相关的资源似乎不多,宇宙盘里只搜到三个
  \! t2 w' c0 I7 Q. ^; c/ ?( NMcGraw-Hill Dictionary of American Idioms Phrasal Verbs
) f/ |2 I3 h3 @0 ^6 N( T, S( z& A: uLongman Phrasal Verbs Dictionary 2nd Edition
- w- R* t* n5 j6 z: Y7 D. ?7 _5 YCambridge Phrasal Verbs Dictionary  C% C1 f1 L& \+ L

- G; |4 |' O8 ?5 \# D# y传说中的4 N, w. y8 y! C; [' V
A.P. Cowie Oxford dictionary of phrasal verbs未找到

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发表于 2014-9-12 20:49:18 | 显示全部楼层

" i8 N- m0 w& T9 j& T6 i+ R多的是。有空整理整理。
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- W9 D/ Y4 |4 a% i牛津动词短语词典,有,甚至是双解的,不过是第一版的。
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% N- }$ ^* C5 u3 F, M' X% T* U/ V看 superfan https://pdawiki.com/forum/thread-7100-1-1.html 牛津短语动词词典.7z http://u.115.com/file/clq40lt6#

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 楼主| 发表于 2014-9-12 21:19:18 | 显示全部楼层
Oeasy 发表于 2014-9-12 20:49
2 L) e! d" o" O) G多的是。有空整理整理。
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牛津动词短语词典,有,甚至是双解的,不过是第一版的。
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这个是英汉的,想找个英英的. f  c  K+ t2 x8 h% r! c7 h
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idioms词典主要有. Z" |# i! g* k
NTC's Thematic Dictionary of American Idioms4 U( B; `  {6 j+ Y: [/ ]
The American Heritage Dictionary of Idioms) [/ D$ I9 A7 }# ~+ n
Cambridge Idioms Dictionary- u2 a3 y" V) Z" ]
Oxford Idiom 2004(这个什么都查不出来,没研究具体因为什么)
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主要问题是,无论idioms还是phrasal verbs词典,都没有那种大全集一站式的" |6 R2 F( P- G8 w- l
有的收了这个有的收了那个,很零散,义项收的也不全
1 P& ]) ~) T: t( S感觉各家出版社对这块都不太用心
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Oxford 那本的问题在于 headword 都是单词,而词组没有提取出来单列。它的例句给了出处,还是有特点的。  发表于 2016-3-10 10:09
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    [LV.10]以坛为家III

    发表于 2014-9-12 21:47:57 | 显示全部楼层
    全局搜索好像比什么都强:(longman5 extra)
    8 I2 d$ K; X! F1 s1 r- }$ xzgrep "sign off on" lextra.txt.xz
    + n/ d, N6 u( t5 m+ {6 ^1 M                ▪ Question: How difficult was it for you, personally, to sign off on this deal?
    ! @* m, c* X5 A5 P1 _                ▪ How could you not sign off on that?7 c3 `9 r* ^6 G* M+ a7 ^* D0 U& r
                    ▪ Question: How difficult was it for you, personally, to sign off on this deal?4 B( n  f  A% g- z& [  p+ x$ Y
                    ▪ Dalton, a 1964 academy graduate who spoke on honor at the academy last week, must sign off on the expulsion.' o0 `3 d9 q4 F- N
                    ▪ President Clinton also is expected to sign off on the plan.
    * T- ]& E. }6 o2 @/ F) j4 X* r2 i) c$ xzgrep "take the heat" lextra.txt.xz
    % `$ ]5 J( l+ T1 |                ▪ The election will take the heat off the constitutional issue, at least for the time being.0 q+ [5 B  g$ k( h( O. y/ ~8 B* f
                    ▪ Lowell's humour - unexpected - that could take the heat out of a fraught situation.9 p+ k* D: Z6 O* B; M' _5 G
                    ▪ Hormones take the heat off Thousands of women suffer menopausal symptoms which could be relieved by a course of Hormone Replacement Therapy

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     楼主| 发表于 2014-9-12 21:58:02 | 显示全部楼层
    spoony1971 发表于 2014-9-12 21:47
    3 P) t3 p- N' I6 s/ c全局搜索好像比什么都强:(longman5 extra)
    ! n: R5 H$ h+ q' r: H$ xzgrep "sign off on" lextra.txt.xz 1 b0 g. e& a8 ~' z
                    & ...
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    8 u2 B: }' g' a! y3 {2 K估计全宇宙只有你这样用
    - _( I" U& b  H# O  S$ i& a我是懒得敲字

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    发表于 2014-9-13 06:14:53 | 显示全部楼层
    本帖最后由 zxjsjd 于 2014-9-13 06:17 编辑
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    % Q9 S. D! A; |这本最好,可惜没有电子版。而且也没见国内出版第二版。外研社说这本书取材最精审、解释最详明、例证最丰富、体例最严密。.- @; E: k1 {/ y0 Y4 ^
    http://book.douban.com/subject/1007151/
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    [LV.Master]伴坛终老

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    本帖最后由 wwoxxoyy 于 2014-9-13 07:22 编辑 3 q/ A8 X" g, J- x6 L$ |% b$ h
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    sign off on something% D* Q4 Z# @7 H' w
    to sign a paper, indicating that one has finished with something or agrees with the state of something. The publisher signed off on the book and sent it to be printed. I refuse to sign off on this project until it is done correctly.
    ( `7 c1 E5 L3 |8 nSee also: sign
    2 w- ]: l) p3 m5 wMcGraw-Hill Dictionary of American Idioms and Phrasal Verbs. © 2002 by The McGraw-Hill Companies, Inc.
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    ake the heat and take some heat
    : a3 X$ c/ W( V7 E6 P) iSl. to receive or put up with criticism (for something). The cops have been taking some heat about the Quincy killing. If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen.
    , X7 B$ l" N. N( t6 J& X8 ISee also: heat, take% c( S5 R: T2 d  W6 k( C
    McGraw-Hill Dictionary of American Idioms and Phrasal Verbs. © 2002 by The McGraw-Hill Companies, Inc.
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    ' _3 E/ S' X# T1 I0 f* _take (great) pains to do something also go to (great) pains to do something
    9 x1 ~3 l7 ]. }# jto try very hard to do something We took great pains to insure that no one felt left out.9 W& M$ r' \) X; z
    Related vocabulary: go to great lengths to do something4 k! Z5 @+ F, ~& _; G
    See also: pain, take
    : l& Z- W( M# s$ m/ F% UCambridge Dictionary of American Idioms Copyright © Cambridge University Press 2003. Reproduced with permission.
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    take a shot at someone or something
    * t0 c3 u2 x- L' B1. to fire a shot at someone or something. The hunter took a shot at the deer. Who took a shot at my mailbox?
    - d" c& ~" V8 t+ H1 ]4 g: I2. Go to a try at something.
    ; \2 e# L+ E8 u/ U5 @See also: shot, take
    % E( k: P* s0 i; V$ {$ l% Z0 XMcGraw-Hill Dictionary of American Idioms and Phrasal Verbs. © 2002 by The McGraw-Hill Companies, Inc.
    . i! M1 K, C4 ztake a shot at something also have a shot at something
    7 S0 ?+ e: @! r' Dto make an attempt to do something give something a shot I wasn't sure of the answer, but I thought I'd take a shot at it anyway. He's proven himself to be a talented actor and now he's having a shot at directing.
    ' s  `; _9 R$ _: W& sRelated vocabulary: give something a whirl
    & n& j+ l) P" ]" lSee also: shot, take
    & q. U, e/ x& C9 ~3 TCambridge Dictionary of American Idioms Copyright © Cambridge University Press 2003. Reproduced with permission.
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    " P8 U% d6 A2 u: H6 ?( ~http://www.thefreedictionary.com/. j& L& x; C% `( b5 v& O
    这个网站可能有你想要的,它的特点就是:引用别人的。, o5 \# ^7 F( b1 p0 C1 p
    要是能提取出来,可以做一个很全面的词典,应为它就是各类词典的打包。
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    发表于 2014-9-13 08:25:56 | 显示全部楼层
    或者即使收了,也常常被淹没在主词条的一大堆释义里面,查得率很低
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    解析下这些义,独立出来不行吗?分公快点,别重复

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    发表于 2014-9-13 16:48:36 | 显示全部楼层
    wwoxxoyy 发表于 2014-9-13 07:12
    ) F' [7 F% H3 b) r' n6 Gsign off on something: u7 I. {7 O6 E+ A% h3 e7 H
    to sign a paper, indicating that one has finished with something or agrees wi ...
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    TFD的确比较全,许多人查询时将其拍在reference.com前。

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    发表于 2014-9-14 23:03:33 | 显示全部楼层
    bt4baidu, 你那麽懂得計算機, 有什麼資源會拿不到啊
    + @$ g0 d" n/ p, k1 }: m- Y2 q- N羨慕
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    [LV.1]初来乍到

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    本帖最后由 cnlion 于 2014-9-15 02:02 编辑
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    zxjsjd 发表于 2014-9-13 06:14
    ) L4 n! s! }, n; X8 Q, j这本最好,可惜没有电子版。而且也没见国内出版第二版。外研社说这本书取材最精审、解释最详明、例证最丰富 ...

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    这个有电子版,万能的X宝上就有卖的, 呵呵。 我有实体书, 不过说实在的,用着不太顺手。

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    发表于 2014-9-15 08:08:02 | 显示全部楼层
    cnlion 发表于 2014-9-15 02:01
    ( _1 B- ^, g0 Q& `这个有电子版,万能的X宝上就有卖的, 呵呵。 我有实体书, 不过说实在的,用着不太顺手。

    . z" D$ D# i6 t  I我没找到电子版,没办法在X宝上买的实体书。
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    [LV.1]初来乍到

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    本帖最后由 bolome1 于 2014-9-15 13:13 编辑 5 i: m8 V6 W/ k! k# Z9 d
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    我一直以来是这么查短语的:, ^) f+ _1 t# a$ |+ p7 v
    在 朗文双解4 查了上面的几个词组,都能查到,不过需分别查heat,sign,pain,shot,再在GD里面ctrl+f,很快就能找到。
    / i! h& Z( H/ e, q* K* g有时候柯林斯,韦氏高阶学习词典也能补充一下。( L6 s3 ^8 V3 ~2 ^! \, v# A; A* v
    当然如果有本大而全的专门查短语的词典是极好的^_^; f  O1 _# F5 U  }/ |% E
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    [朗文双解4]
    2 d: V2 V6 u$ F4 E3 n[U] strong feelings, especially anger or excitement 强烈的感情;愤怒;激动:
    : t' {: x5 s) o6 P  cReconciliation services can take the heat out of (=reduce the anger in)the dispute. 仲裁服务可以缓解冲突。$ G1 ~# r, `, }

    - B( {4 D8 ]: h4 ^2 D9 v( A, |sign sth ↔off BrE 【英】; sign off on sth AmE 【美】to show that you approve of a plan or that something is finished by signing an official document 签字认可;签字确认…已完成:
    8 S( t# G+ s  K* g/ v: OMajor repainting work now needs to be signed off by a qualified engineer. 现在重要的重新油漆工作需要有资质的工程师签字认可。
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    . X3 y* K6 }( J, m* R& Qtake/go to (great) pains to do sth also 又作 take pains with/over sth to make a special effort to do something 煞费苦心做某事;十分努力地做某事:
    0 M( {7 f8 k# b& H; ^He’s taken great pains to improve his image. 他煞费苦心地改善自己的形象。
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    [C] a)an act of firing a gun 开枪:4 w; H6 y7 q/ u' d3 V0 q
    A crazy man took a shot at her (=tried to shoot her)from a rooftop. 一名精神错乱的男子从屋顶朝她开了一枪。
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    criticism or abuse$ P9 q5 h# R: {, D9 p
    He will likely take/get a lot of heat for his decision
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    " \" l( ]6 T# D# P7 `. F6 Y+ O9 _3 @[牛津双解7]2 s0 _9 H* i( Y1 a/ V
    [U] pressure on sb to do or achieve sth 压力;逼迫:$ \6 p; c# i; ?3 h6 L
    Can she take the heat of this level of competition?8 |! o$ [( Z& z. f  o
    她承受得了比赛到这个阶段的压力吗? * _$ u0 }, n. g
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    通过一番查询能找出传统词典的不足:take the heat 至少在不同的语境下有两个意思。* T( F; ^/ {2 q! s- m4 S; f
    刚查询 http://www.wordandphrase.info/analyzeText.asp ,take the heat也算是比较常见的表达了,作为短语收词似乎没有啥不妥。

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    发表于 2014-9-26 05:07:02 | 显示全部楼层
    还有这个An Asperger Dictionary of Everyday Expressions,MDICT资料库有的
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    [LV.10]以坛为家III

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    本帖最后由 brianleeeee 于 2014-9-26 11:13 编辑 . i2 N- B3 b8 q" o
    zxjsjd 发表于 2014-9-13 06:14. [2 }; F# n% O/ T6 W5 s7 p
    这本最好,可惜没有电子版。而且也没见国内出版第二版。外研社说这本书取材最精审、解释最详明、例证最丰富 ...

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    - m8 h8 A$ G1 y' t" jPDF文件算电子版吗?

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    发表于 2014-9-26 18:41:27 | 显示全部楼层
    brianleeeee 发表于 2014-9-26 11:116 n) C: _! Y$ {4 i
    PDF文件算电子版吗?

    " l$ h1 [/ ?; B当然算
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    [LV.4]偶尔看看III

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    wwoxxoyy 发表于 2014-9-13 07:129 W, u* E# M& D9 i( a" [' z- p
    sign off on something
    ( s7 w. N: A; q' \4 Y$ w. lto sign a paper, indicating that one has finished with something or agrees wit ...

    6 O! z6 C. C$ l/ S' T" G) D- D0 q就是这个在线网站 所有遇到的词组都能查到
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