as such一个几乎让所有词典都阵亡的短语

elusty

as such作为短语，基本就两个意思：
' T) n- l$ L# o. F( v, S0 ^1）就其本身看；per se; in itself
2）因此，所以; so, therefore
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但是，发现除了wiktionary，几乎所有词典都没有给出“因此”的解释。

afreeelf

as本身就有因为之意，加上个such就变成因为这个，即因此，不需要解释

Niaaan

但是wiktionary最下面有个链接，as such does not mean therefore. 虽然打不开，但是网上可以搜到不少相关文章。
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https://editex.com/but-why-cant- ... stead-of-therefore/

Niaaan

科林斯的解释：in the capacity previously specified or understood。 感觉就非常到位了

elusty

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Niaaan 发表于 2017-12-14 14:44
' D( ^( N* q# ~2 I科林斯的解释：in the capacity previously specified or understood。 感觉就非常到位了

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0 y# L+ C( i* B* p0 I6 O我忘了说了，这个用法经常是放在句首，并用逗号分开的。
fawefawefwe. As such, faefawefadfw....

所以，柯林斯的这个法官职位的例句，仍然与这个意思有一定出入。

# y4 w6 {: Q, O/ t+ S. E下面的这个选自柯林斯的例句较为类似：
另外，wiktionary这个短语归入了副词用法：
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Niaaan

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elusty 发表于 2017-12-14 15:04
感谢。
. `& M3 Y/ ]) B* F我忘了说了，这个用法经常是放在句首，并用逗号分开的。
fawefawefwe. As such, faefawefadfw.... ...

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3 l/ {+ r6 w* _1 r: esuch一定要有所指，放在句首如果有所指，就是可以的。如果无所指，那么这个用法就是错的，虽然读起来很通顺。看上面发的那篇文章链接，应该不少native speaker也会犯这种错误。

elusty

Niaaan 发表于 2017-12-14 15:08
such一定要有所指，放在句首如果有所指，就是可以的。如果无所指，那么这个用法就是错的，虽然读起来很通 ...

你说的很对，必须前面有叙述内容，甚至有可能是上面一段的内容。

elusty

终于找到了一个“规定性”解释：不过，我认为，语言是发展的，总是唯OED是瞻也不可取。
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1 b, F1 W* D# P! t# E* S- yhttps://www.grammarphobia.com/blog/2010/09/as-such.html

0 B; T  t6 d- V$ ^1 tQ: I generally see “as such” used to mean “therefore,” but I think it should refer to something just mentioned. It’s hard, however, to explain this to other people. Can you assist?

A: You’re right in thinking that the use of “as such” to mean “therefore” is frowned on.
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* m6 O2 X) i4 w. SThe Oxford English Dictionary calls this usage “colloquial” (that is, more suited for speech than writing) or “vulgar” (commonplace or lacking refinement).
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The word “such” in the idiomatic expression “as such” is a pronoun, and as a pronoun it’s supposed to refer to or stand for something already mentioned—an antecedent.
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A sentence shouldn’t include the phrase “as such” unless there’s an antecedent that answers the question “as what?”
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First, we’ll take a look at the expression’s accepted meanings and their histories.
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The phrase first showed up writing in the mid-17th century, according to the OED.

Its original form was a bit longer—“as it is such” or “as they are such”—and its meaning was “in itself.”
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John Milton used the phrase that way in The History of England (1670):

" }4 ]. ?. W8 C7 I) E“True fortitude glories not in the feats of War, as they are such, but as they serve to end War soonest by a victorious Peace.”
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In that example, “such” refers to the previously mentioned “feats of war.”

A slightly later example, using the phrase in its shorter form, comes from Ralph Cudworth’s The True Intellectual System of the Universe (1668):
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7 g# v; w0 o: B; p- f“If Matter as such, had Life, Perception, and Understanding belonging to it.”
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In the example above, “such” refers to the previously mentioned “matter.”
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The OED says that in the following century “as such” acquired another meaning: “as being what the name or description implies,” or “in that capacity.”
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The dictionary’s first example in print for this sense is from Richard Steele, writing in The Spectator (1711):
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“When she observed Will. irrevocably her Slave, she began to use him as such.”
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" Z8 \4 K) r" ]. X; ^, [$ r6 `Note that here again, the pronoun “such” refers to something already mentioned—in this case, “her slave.”
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This more recent example comes from a British legislative act (1911): “The trade or business carried on in the house or place by the licence holder as such.”

In that sentence fragment, “such” refers to the already mentioned “licence holder” (the act uses the British spelling of “license”).

Now for the frowned-on usage, the “vulgar” or “colloquial” one in which “as such” has no real antecedent and means “accordingly,” “consequently,” “thereupon,” or “therefore.”

! ^  G5 b! B8 e! k: q! [This usage was first recorded in the 18th century but has never gained acceptance, probably because it’s ambiguous.
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These two examples from letters written in the early 1800s are good examples of the ambiguity of “as such” when it’s used in this vague sense:
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6 M6 A. i2 T) n: a# p% z" U! D“I very much longed to hear from you … and as such I did not the least esteem it for its having been delayed for the reasons assigned.”
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2 s3 Q5 r5 r* y  xAnd: “H. R. H. Princess Augusta … motioned for me to come to her Highness. As such she addressed me in the most pleasant manner possible.”

See what we mean? Neither sentence answers the question “as what?”

1 l9 J! C* m& H: D  kOnce again, “such” is a pronoun here, and “as such,” it requires an antecedent.