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[词典讨论] 词典里的Big Mess Construction,兼推荐Vocabulary.com Examples

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发表于 2020-4-30 19:51:02 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
本帖最后由 klwo2 于 2020-4-30 19:51 编辑
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https://www.pdawiki.com/forum/thread-40157-1-1.html
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" Z2 N3 i3 |' J. |/ k# n! r" u我发现Big Mess Construction好像是比较新的英语语法现象,所以利用Goldendict 全文搜索搜了一下「 as big a 」,你们猜怎么着,真的哎!/ k. n3 \; ?+ J, S2 l- F% h

0 {( S6 b: L0 r先说原句:Even though gas-fired heating and cooking can be at least as big a source of greenhouse-gas emissions, renewable heating gets minuscule attention.3 J9 |) C( }* h

% M/ ]* {% u) {2 O! e/ j虽说用天然气取暖啊做饭啊也是挺大的一个排放源,排放起温室气体来,不比别的能源逊色,可是那些个可再生的取暖法、取暖能源也没多少人关注。: j+ z+ B) n" J5 @+ Z, ^& _
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这句子还是有点绕的。全文搜索发现,有的词典里面有类似的句子。牛津高阶10:( |0 R* W+ f, a4 H4 z
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Housing has become almost as big a problem as education.
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There is almost as big a market for bootleg disk records as there is for bootlegged books.
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1929年的句子
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The Liu was almost as big a pain in the neck as the previous night's Preziosilla.
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World Book Dictionary, 2015:
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Intrapreneurs, the people who start new businesses inside established companies, will soon be as big a catchword as entrepreneurs (Economist).

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是例子最多最丰富的是这本!!!Vocabulary.com Examples!!+ B) e% W4 `8 ~2 o' f
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150. Ms. Johnson, while not a native of Louisiana, was as big a champion of the region as anyone.  f0 K, C( R! _( C' }# y4 ^
Jul 25, 2015 - New York Times
179. This one seemed as big a mismatch with the Harrison twins and bevy of big bodies to control the struggling Gamecocks.1 y" Y2 p+ H$ G" @1 S
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42. "It put a little dampener on it, but it's just as big a race," Gay said.* K7 H1 F6 \( [1 \/ h  l
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26. “That was about as big a shot of adrenaline as you could ask for,” Robinson said.$ J" W. H1 ~5 v, A) d5 V
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53. According to the film, nearly 50% of young white Americans believe discrimination against whites is as big a problem as discrimination against blacks.$ z, K5 S8 I& b
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96. For now, caveat emptor is going to remain as big a part of sushi culture as soy sauce and wasabi.! [3 ]! N' l& d1 w  v& {- u) g4 M: d
Feb 21, 2013 - Time
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我知道有人要笑话我,这不是老宝贝了嘛,怎么又广告起来了?只当是给新来的看看呗!
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    发表于 2020-4-30 22:11:05 | 显示全部楼层
    "Housing has become almost as big a problem as education." $ O) B2 O  N' s
    这个句子并不是BMC吧。这是as……as的结构。 在比较结构中,有as+adj+冠词+名词+as+比较对象这样的结构,还是很有规则的。

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    本帖最后由 klwo2 于 2020-5-1 10:13 编辑 # d$ T( Q" e: b# I/ d
    rococoeer 发表于 2020-4-30 22:11
    3 p( A: X. s* P) z+ C" f"Housing has become almost as big a problem as education."
    ( [5 k0 K" a& c这个句子并不是BMC吧。这是as……as的结构 ...

    3 g" J! w/ O7 {/ qBig Mess Construction是语法学家叫出来的术语,人家也没说不规则啊,请看Van Eynde, Frank. 2007. The Big Mess Construction. In Muller, Stefan (Ed.), ¨ Proceedings of the 14th International Conference on Head-Driven Phrase StructureGrammar, Stanford Department of Linguistics and CSLI’s LinGO Lab, 415–433.Stanford, CA: CSLI Publications.:: G- f7 w  W) Q" E: M! ?
    In English noun phrases the determiner canonically precedes the prenominal adjectives, both the lexical and the phrasal ones.
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    A notable exception are the adjectival phrases which are introduced by as, so, too,
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    article, they precede the determiner (Huddleston and Pullum, 2002, 435).
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    六个典型词是as so too how this that。
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    0 O, Q0 L$ }% L这个概念是Berman, J. 1974. Adjectives and adjective complement constructions in English.Ph. D.thesis, Harvard University.里面提出来的,你找作者理论去。
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    随便找找提及Big Mess Construction的论文,有如下例句:
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    0 n$ r5 g3 x7 M3 D, w. m' lBob didn’t write [as detailed a proposal] as Sheila did.$ Z( P" q; j2 a) G9 W7 z
    Bob didn’t write [as detailed of a proposal] as Sheila did( I, x# A3 q8 R* n  w) C

    . S- L6 @  ~1 p8 \: y+ g/ T2 A我可没说不准别个叫它as...as...结构,问题是:
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    6 z- A! J+ O: S7 A# {1. 明摆着这个现象是不限于as的, so too how this that 都能这么用,也不一定非有第二个as不可,哪能以偏概全呢?
    : W% S* m# E- E4 S5 q7 h2. 传统语法书里头没提及as...as...能这么用,你要认可这是as...as...,得扩充传统语法
    ; ^& g) Q7 s' X: `8 b6 K3. 要点也不是非要叫什么名字,而是怎么叫方便研究、方便解释。Big Mess Construction现象的要点是,凭嘛形容词能放到冠词前头?「一棵好大的树」「一个跟姚明一样高的小伙子」凭什么能说成「好大的一棵树」「跟姚明一样高的一个小伙子」?你要是归纳成「跟……一样」的特殊用法,就偏了呀  F$ ~7 P9 c$ d1 K. z" B
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