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[词典讨论] 词典里的Big Mess Construction,兼推荐Vocabulary.com Examples

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发表于 2020-4-30 19:51:02 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
本帖最后由 klwo2 于 2020-4-30 19:51 编辑   k  q8 S! q. e& |" C
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https://www.pdawiki.com/forum/thread-40157-1-1.html
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" ~5 M: V9 @: o/ Z0 K% }; }' ?我发现Big Mess Construction好像是比较新的英语语法现象,所以利用Goldendict 全文搜索搜了一下「 as big a 」,你们猜怎么着,真的哎!
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先说原句:Even though gas-fired heating and cooking can be at least as big a source of greenhouse-gas emissions, renewable heating gets minuscule attention.
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虽说用天然气取暖啊做饭啊也是挺大的一个排放源,排放起温室气体来,不比别的能源逊色,可是那些个可再生的取暖法、取暖能源也没多少人关注。: I0 v& y& M1 j7 ]3 h% P; o

- L) Y) M6 U/ r4 s) b这句子还是有点绕的。全文搜索发现,有的词典里面有类似的句子。牛津高阶10:
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Housing has become almost as big a problem as education.
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老版的牛津高阶没有。
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Variety 10 Apr. 1/2
8 |! M# A0 x! D- SThere is almost as big a market for bootleg disk records as there is for bootlegged books.
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$ ~+ C4 @! ~4 @7 hWorld Book Dictionary, 2015:
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Intrapreneurs, the people who start new businesses inside established companies, will soon be as big a catchword as entrepreneurs (Economist).

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是例子最多最丰富的是这本!!!Vocabulary.com Examples!!, D9 ~. H( @& i+ s- d! y0 T) W# F

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* ^; g" X0 [1 x随便一摘就是哗啦啦的句子,名报名刊名家!!
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150. Ms. Johnson, while not a native of Louisiana, was as big a champion of the region as anyone.
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42. "It put a little dampener on it, but it's just as big a race," Gay said.1 }) L1 W' F- [$ F5 r; {# A
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26. “That was about as big a shot of adrenaline as you could ask for,” Robinson said.! v% {& d1 L/ q1 W7 x! L5 ]
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53. According to the film, nearly 50% of young white Americans believe discrimination against whites is as big a problem as discrimination against blacks.) I. {) ]; S4 ?' h" V+ X  U
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96. For now, caveat emptor is going to remain as big a part of sushi culture as soy sauce and wasabi.
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我知道有人要笑话我,这不是老宝贝了嘛,怎么又广告起来了?只当是给新来的看看呗!
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例句第二多的是Urban Dictionary,不过这本有点太俗了,就不多说啦。
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    发表于 2020-4-30 22:11:05 | 显示全部楼层
    "Housing has become almost as big a problem as education."
    5 u* O% {6 Q6 S& c这个句子并不是BMC吧。这是as……as的结构。 在比较结构中,有as+adj+冠词+名词+as+比较对象这样的结构,还是很有规则的。

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    本帖最后由 klwo2 于 2020-5-1 10:13 编辑 6 B6 ?# z+ r9 S7 F4 k7 l% z
    rococoeer 发表于 2020-4-30 22:111 B# R$ a) d8 ]! J+ i; _  \" z
    "Housing has become almost as big a problem as education." . \" t: u0 _3 G
    这个句子并不是BMC吧。这是as……as的结构 ...

    2 M% p) e5 O" L# V; nBig Mess Construction是语法学家叫出来的术语,人家也没说不规则啊,请看Van Eynde, Frank. 2007. The Big Mess Construction. In Muller, Stefan (Ed.), ¨ Proceedings of the 14th International Conference on Head-Driven Phrase StructureGrammar, Stanford Department of Linguistics and CSLI’s LinGO Lab, 415–433.Stanford, CA: CSLI Publications.:- u: e" @( C: m; a. O0 x/ V
    In English noun phrases the determiner canonically precedes the prenominal adjectives, both the lexical and the phrasal ones.
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    (2) a. * big a house
    " p- V' B# K) \# D# tb. * very big a house
    9 S+ Z2 ?  h' ]3 D5 J, eA notable exception are the adjectival phrases which are introduced by as, so, too,
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    article, they precede the determiner (Huddleston and Pullum, 2002, 435).

    + m& g1 P- ?7 i六个典型词是as so too how this that。
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    这个概念是Berman, J. 1974. Adjectives and adjective complement constructions in English.Ph. D.thesis, Harvard University.里面提出来的,你找作者理论去。$ g8 l! @1 W+ [
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    随便找找提及Big Mess Construction的论文,有如下例句:: F6 J, ^% y2 \( M4 n
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    Bob didn’t write [as detailed a proposal] as Sheila did.
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    我可没说不准别个叫它as...as...结构,问题是:+ ^5 X3 I# L$ {

    0 a5 c1 P! O) G% F6 N$ v1. 明摆着这个现象是不限于as的, so too how this that 都能这么用,也不一定非有第二个as不可,哪能以偏概全呢?3 H3 M! p* D0 ^- m4 H: u8 p$ H3 n
    2. 传统语法书里头没提及as...as...能这么用,你要认可这是as...as...,得扩充传统语法. f9 ^. ?) \" }7 e
    3. 要点也不是非要叫什么名字,而是怎么叫方便研究、方便解释。Big Mess Construction现象的要点是,凭嘛形容词能放到冠词前头?「一棵好大的树」「一个跟姚明一样高的小伙子」凭什么能说成「好大的一棵树」「跟姚明一样高的一个小伙子」?你要是归纳成「跟……一样」的特殊用法,就偏了呀1 r" G) U( q5 O# l7 |' A. ]
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