遠東英漢大辭典 / 远东英汉大辞典

Oeasy · 发表于 2014-8-12 22:44:43

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6 v! }0 D& ^( q: t梁實秋在詞典編纂方面最為人熟知的，應該是主編了《遠東英漢大辭典》。這本詞典正確的出版年份是 1975 年 (民國 64 年)，許多學者都搞錯，照片為這本詞典最初的樣子。梁實秋自己都在序言裡委婉地承認，他只是個掛名的主編，出力最多的當是朱良箴、董昭輝、王進興，以及最後綜覽全稿的總校對傅一勤。 

ipda · 发表于 2015-12-21 18:12:18

Oeasy 发表于 2014-8-13 16:41
8 y" a3 I# `+ D+ x* T' a1 `# |" C三四十年前，台湾的英汉辞典，以及其他很多方面，还是领先于大陆的。现在呢，落后得不止一点半点了 ...

谢谢

jazzmood · 发表于 2014-8-14 09:10:16

belleyeah 发表于 2014-8-13 21:33 5 g9 B0 p( W* z$ t E
蓝本是WBD啊。不知道远东英汉是不是贴出了参考书目？

手上的远东英汉大辞典是1971年版的32开内部交流版，没有找到参考书目。
手上的The World Book Dictionary 是1981年版的内部交流版。

对比过两本词典，义项及词语辨析上基本一致。
例句有不同之处。

整理了一下思路，关键词：Barnhart 父/子。
1、WBD 主编
2、Thorndike-Barnhart 系统词典
3、The American College Dictionary,1947 主编

推测一下，早期的《最新实用英汉辞典》至成型的《远东英汉大辞典》整体上应该以上述几种词典为主，或许应该称为Barnhart 父/子词典为蓝本。姑妄言之。

从wbd的copyright 及《远东》的序言相互参照中应该可以印证一些。

以前做过的笔记：

近几十年来英语教学词典也有了很大发展。较早有名气的，该属美国桑代克-世纪成套词典。它是由Thorndike-Century Junior Dictionary, 1953年；Thorndike-Century Senior Dictionary,1942年等数部词典组成，分别供不同年级学生使用。由哥伦比亚大学著名教育学权威Edward L. Thorndike设计主编。鉴于该词典的释义、例证引用了《世纪词典》中的许多材料，故取名<桑代克-世纪词典>。在这个基础上，后来还出版了一套Thorndike-Barnhart 学生词典。
6 O$ \( V# n; V- l9 ^0 w3 n见《英语词典初探》：李荫华6 M O) ?/ z; }1 h& {+ p5 ?
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接下来再来看看The World Book Dictionary《世界图书词典》。原称The World Book Encyclopedic Dcitionary,1963年初版主编Clarence L. Barnhart和他的儿子Rober Barnhart。
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0 c8 f- }8 H1 h; w& A老Barnhart早在1929年就参加了Edward L. Thorndike主持的辞书编写工作。1951年出版了收词八万以上的 Thorndike-Barnhart Comprehensive Desk Dictionary, 但其成就远不及他与1947年奉献于世的《美国大学词典》。他编著的其它辞书中，著名的还有：三卷本The New Century Cyclopedia of Names, 1954年，等。
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The World Book Dictionary从Thorndike-Barnhart系统各词典中直接采用了不少资料（而Thorndike-Barnhart系统词典的许多资料又是从新世纪英语词典移植去的），致使编者在版权页上还为此作了说明，并宣称：该书是“桑代克-巴恩哈特系统词典的组成部分之一”0 J# m+ [) Q+ d& b" y+ M$ q* s
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《美国大学词典》（The American College Dictionary,1947）是战后不久美国出版的一部重要词典，当时声誉很高。主编恰恰是C. L. Barnhart，出版者是兰登书屋出版公司。

sculiuchang · 发表于 2014-9-21 08:47:06

以前读研的时候，在跳蚤市场见过远东，本以50元购买，而不得。现在后悔的不行了哈。虽然陆谷孙的已经取代为英汉联合国词典，但此词典确实有他的独到之处，况且梁实秋的中文功底和英文功底，是公认的。吾国吾民，不是哪一个同志都可以用英文写的哟。

非常期待哈。老大牛逼。

掌上百科，自从o大横空出世之后，带来了革命性的巨变。嘿嘿。

bt4baidu · 发表于 2014-8-12 23:05:50

和英华三/新英汉相比如何？

Oeasy · 发表于 2014-8-12 23:08:59

bt4baidu 发表于 2014-8-12 23:05
0 a% @' x7 ?5 U$ f" x和英华三/新英汉相比如何？

其实，我没见过这辞典，我就是发个帖。据说是以某版WBD为蓝本翻译的。

jazzmood · 发表于 2014-8-13 01:23:52

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Oeasy 发表于 2014-8-12 23:08
2 e: a. B" d" ^5 I( h, E5 ?其实，我没见过这辞典，我就是发个帖。据说是以某版WBD为蓝本翻译的。

配几张图，对比一下world book 和远东英汉大辞典，词语辨析部分。

The World Book Dictionary 的版权信息

远东英汉大辞典的序言图片。

Oeasy · 发表于 2014-8-13 16:41:22

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jazzmood 发表于 2014-8-13 01:23 4 p' o/ q! `; T- m1 o0 @1 s5 G
配几张图，对比一下world book 和远东英汉大辞典，词语辨析部分。

三四十年前，台湾的英汉辞典，以及其他很多方面，还是领先于大陆的。现在呢，落后得不止一点半点了。

《远东英汉大辞典》的官方电子版，估计遥不可期。

by 颜元叔 ……
8 I4 |' D z' d% M5 S V我手边这部大陆编《新英汉词典》，这部大陆版《辞源》，编得如此周全，印制如此精致，细小的铅字用放大镜看都划划清晰，而且从来没有看到一个错字：我为他们的心血表现而发抖！我们可以把这两部辞书掷在以精致称着的日本人的辞书之侧，而开始不觉愧色——而我们台湾，40年来，哪部英汉辞典不是翻译剪贴自日作！惭愧哪，台湾经验！

英汉、汉英双语词典的编纂与研究历程 http://www.cnki.com.cn/Article/CJFDTotal-JMDZ200502017.htm

这段时期的后一阶段, 即20世纪40年代, 我国编纂出版了两部词典: 一部是《英汉四用词典》 (它的全名是《英汉求解、作文、文法、辩义四用词典》, 1949年4月由上海世界书局出版, 1970年在香港出修订版; 另一部是梁实秋主编的《远东英汉大词典》, 1949年由台湾远东图书公司初版。初版时书名为《实用英汉词典》, 收词仅1万条, 1952年修订出版, 词条扩充到8万条, 1960年又重版, 收词实为11万多条。《英汉四用词典》和《远东英汉大词典》这两部词典均仍属中型综合性英汉双语词典。《四用》与《远东》都各有其特色。《四用》编者尝试使它有自己独特的体例, 服务对象明确, 读者查阅时可以/对号入座, 一目了然。这种四用的编排方法, 确有其方便的地方, 但却弊大于利。因为词的释义与例证分开, 反而给读者带来不便。后人再编纂的双语词典就少有效法这种体例, 而该词典本身的读者也越来越少, 现在处于基本上被淘汰的状态了。《远东》则不同。半个多世纪以来, 《远东》广泛地在台湾、港澳、中国大陆以及东南亚各国的华人中使用, 经久不衰, 甚至被联合国采用长达40年之久。它拥有众多读者, 具有颇强的生命力, 在全世界双语词典编纂界影响大而深远。究其原因, 它有四大特点: ( 1) 收词丰富、广泛、新颖, 并十分接近美国词典的传统, 注重百科性。( 2) 释义平易、准确、全面, 均用浅显的白话文, 并附有丰富的例证。( 3) 注意对英国英语与美国英语的不同解释的阐述、对语法修辞问题的阐述、对一般写作规则的阐述。( 4) 采用的注音是英美兼注的国际音标的双重注法。但《远东》也存在一些缺点, 如某些释义和汉译文不通顺; 旧词新义注释贫乏; 没有注词源等等(徐振忠, 192-199)。

itarcy · 发表于 2014-8-13 20:31:28

Oeasy 发表于 2014-8-13 16:41
* B2 O: C5 j0 b7 Z- u3 k) o三四十年前，台湾的英汉辞典，以及其他很多方面，还是领先于大陆的。现在呢，落后得不止一点半点了 ...

终于看到梁实秋的词典长什么样了，谢谢jazzmood和O大的论文~

以前只读过梁实秋译的莎翁戏剧，自己觉得好生涩，
猜测习惯余光中老师和夏济安老师文笔的读者大概不会喜欢梁的文字吧
也许喜欢董乐山那些老一辈翻译家作品的人还勉强能读完梁实秋的译文

而且梁实秋“批”鲁迅翻译的毛病似乎全能在梁译莎翁作品里找到

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上面贴的able的第3个释义，不懂怎么译成了彻底完成的
还有词语辨析extinguish的overpowering，压服性的

belleyeah · 发表于 2014-8-13 21:33:49

jazzmood 发表于 2014-8-13 01:23
8 G8 t* P8 W0 b5 j; H7 e配几张图，对比一下world book 和远东英汉大辞典，词语辨析部分。

蓝本是WBD啊。不知道远东英汉是不是贴出了参考书目？

Oeasy · 发表于 2014-8-14 09:52:07

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belleyeah 发表于 2014-8-13 21:33 6 l( b" f# S3 Z# h
蓝本是WBD啊。不知道远东英汉是不是贴出了参考书目？

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敢贴出参考书目的词典，可没有几本噢，这不是自讨没趣嘛。

《英汉大词典》（第2版）就贴出来了，一共148本，你说蓝本是哪一本？

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Oeasy · 发表于 2014-8-14 10:02:49

jazzmood 发表于 2014-8-14 09:10 ) r" d9 z8 g M* ]
手上的远东英汉大辞典是1971年版的32开内部交流版，没有找到参考书目。
5 U9 V- {& ~" f- K手上的The World Book Dictionar ...

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WBD: You may extinguish liberty, but not the love of liberty.
远东：You may extinguish a nation, but not the love of liberty.

看了几页，确实有“释义和汉译文不通顺”的小问题，当然，通顺与否是很主观的判断，那个年代那个地方的编译者可能觉得很通顺。

《英汉大词典》等珠玉在“后”，《远东》式微，出版社连电子化都懒得弄了吧。

belleyeah · 发表于 2014-8-14 10:06:29

Oeasy 发表于 2014-8-14 09:52 8 A; [, z/ s% w6 A' n
敢贴出了参考书目的词典，可没有几本噢，这不是自讨没趣嘛。/ O3 Z5 b/ Z8 H/ ]

% `- r5 q' T s2 a" O* e《英汉大词典》（第2版） ...

o版的“自讨没趣”这个词很贴切。很多词典都有意无意地回避某些东西。
颜教授的《新时代。。》（比网络版多了很多图片），是为数不多（如果不是唯一的话）的国人编的双解词典，前言也只字不提蓝本（winston）。

belleyeah · 发表于 2014-8-14 10:12:08

Oeasy 发表于 2014-8-14 10:02 % i' C6 {$ a" W- w8 a1 Q* O, T
WBD: You may extinguish liberty, but not the love of liberty.& C: b! o8 j) t: }, N( I
远东：You may exti ...

远东这刻意改的好像有点弄巧成拙啊。:-)

Oeasy · 发表于 2014-8-14 10:13:25

本帖最后由 Oeasy 于 2014-8-14 10:18 编辑

belleyeah 发表于 2014-8-14 10:06 , K" c. m$ ~3 I- b9 G2 v, z
o版的“自讨没趣”这个词很贴切。很多词典都有意无意地回避某些东西。# l+ G) w }3 f
颜教授的《新时代。。》（比网络 ...

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颜教授的词典，

http://www.dictionary.net/ 去对比下

The Winston Simplified Dictionary. By William Dodge Lewis, Edgar Arthur Singer. Published 1919

To put to the proof; to try to find a particular substance in; as, to test rice for starch; to compare with a standard. - See more at: http://definitions.dictionary.net/test#sthash.6UzU89sJ.dpuf

颜氏

v.t.
► To put to the proof.    测验。 » He had his eyesight tested. 他做了视力测验。
► To try to find a particular substance in.    【化】检验。 » to test rice for starch 检验米中所含的淀粉质。
► To refine.    精炼。 » to test gold in a furnace 于炉中炼金。

bt4baidu · 发表于 2014-8-14 17:08:11

belleyeah 发表于 2014-8-13 21:33
: A" L m. g% g0 i' V/ B蓝本是WBD啊。不知道远东英汉是不是贴出了参考书目？

传闻英汉大以WBD为蓝本，这个蓝本也是WBD？
World book Dictionary 为何如此备受推崇？

Oeasy · 发表于 2014-8-15 12:26:31

bt4baidu 发表于 2014-8-14 17:08
8 g3 ^" V; Y; {! ~传闻英汉大以WBD为蓝本，这个蓝本也是WBD？/ r8 J9 B5 c) {- Z* i# b$ o1 n: r
World book Dictionary 为何如此备受推崇？

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Book_Dictionary [/url]

Like the encyclopedia, it is designed to be user friendly to young people, yet comprehensive enough to be useful to adults. The definitions are designed with consideration for the age at which a person usually encounters the word. Quotations or sample sentences are offered with many words. Most proper names are excluded, leaving their treatment to the encyclopedia.

http://itunes.apple.com/app/id406158413 $4.99

Description
- ?$ d" J4 z2 n1 vThe last thing a dictionary needs to be is intimidating. Yet many adult dictionaries are just that due to complicated structures and word meanings. This dictionary, from the editors of The World Book Encyclopedia, combines all the features of a traditional dictionary with the readability of World Book. The result is an ideal dictionary that can be used for a lifetime.
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Words likely to be used by students are defined in a simple manner for better comprehension. The Dictionary also presents informative illustrative sentences that help clarify word meanings.
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But this is by no means an abridged reference work. It features more than 225,000 entries, 3000 illustrations, notes on how to use prefixes, suffixes, capitalization and punctuation, pronunciation guides, and more. It's the final word in state-of-the-art dictionaries.5 A- _# S: H  b3 d
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“The number of entries (225,000) in this set puts it in the comprehensive section, but the price is closer to that of an unabridged dictionary. Because it is to be used in conjunction with The World Book Encyclopedia, biographical and geographical entries are not included. In addition, because it supposedly reflects the way people should speak, offensive language is not included. The definitions are clear and concise, with the most common meaning first. Sentences or quotations enhance the meanings, as do numerous line drawings.”
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说白了，WBD是给母语为英语的小朋友编写的，虽然成年人也可以用。绝大部分英语学习者，英语水平肯定是不如人家四年级小孩的，直接用人家的 college （collegiate）词典，比较吃力，退而求其次，发现WBD好懂，就用它了。

WBD三四十年前在两岸三地火了一阵，很大原因是因为那会儿Leaner's Dictionary还没流行起来。

牛高原版版次信息：1948，1963，1974，1989，1995，2000，2005，2010
繁体字本： 1970，1984，1994， 2004，2008，2013
简体字本： 1988，1997， 2004，2009，2014

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Longman Dictionary of Contemporary English 1978年第一版才出版。

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现在牛朗剑麦柯韦一大堆学习型词典，噱头一个比一个多，WBD就没落了。你看那Mac APP 才买4.99刀，都没人买。

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不过，我是WBD的粉丝。我觉得这是最应该出双解版的词典。

bt4baidu · 发表于 2014-8-15 12:44:20

Oeasy 发表于 2014-8-15 12:26
: v# i9 q. @) b8 n Ihttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Book_Dictionary [/url]

专业！

WBD确实蛮好懂的，我读这个词典有种读日语《大辞林》的感觉
解释简洁、精确、易懂，例句丰富，收词量大。符合本人选词典的条件。

学习型词典最大的问题是释义比较啰嗦，不够概括；很多时候为了照顾程度低的读者，写得很长，绕来绕去，反而不精确。常常查完了学习型还得查别的才能得到比较准确的含义。

sculiuchang · 发表于 2014-9-21 08:47:49

可惜偶没有时间学习制作mdx，否则偶愿意全力支持发新作哈。

不知道技术难不难哈。

djm14821 · 发表于 2014-9-21 20:01:27

Oeasy先生，请问有pdf版远东英汉词典吗？请上传

belleyeah · 发表于 2014-9-21 20:08:13

sculiuchang 发表于 2014-9-21 08:47
- k- _9 T; p! q; b( u! {以前读研的时候，在跳蚤市场见过远东，本以50元购买，而不得。现在后悔的不行了哈。虽然陆谷孙的已经取代为 ...

况且梁实秋的中文功底和英文功底，是公认的。吾国吾民，不是哪一个同志都可以用英文写的哟。

林语堂哭了。

zhplren · 发表于 2014-12-14 02:34:37

office 2003完全安装版里面有一个词典，好像也是这本吧，那本词典很不错，超级难破解的啊!!!

Oeasy · 发表于 2014-12-14 08:59:21

zhplren 发表于 2014-12-14 02:34
) ^+ g5 V0 Y5 Y4 k2 l2 b: t$ ioffice 2003完全安装版里面有一个词典，好像也是这本吧，那本词典很不错，超级难破解的啊!!!

Office带的，是《英华大词典》（修订第三版）。

zhplren · 发表于 2014-12-14 18:50:44

受教了，10年下来也收集了一些词典，虽然现在也没机会用，还是习惯性的过来看看，有机会的话也来做一个练练手，《远东英汉大词典》值得做一下

zhplren · 发表于 2014-12-14 18:59:50

对了有基本日本词典还是不错的,英美语惯用法辞典_（日）井上羲昌著,搭配大辞典和现代英语语法例解手册

MYsedulous · 发表于 2014-12-22 10:34:17

《远东英汉大辞典》的蓝本绝非仅仅依靠WBD，可参考我微博上转的一篇台湾曾泰元老师的研究文章http://www.changweibo.com/p/2014121710223551039

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