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[词典讨论] idioms和Phrasal verbs词典也是少不了的

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发表于 2014-9-12 20:39:33 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
take the heat
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take pains to
* T% w6 a# L0 R' z% c9 o# [( O: |6 ]take a shot at
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这种最讨厌,每个词都认识,连在一起意思就完全不同
9 o8 v% q7 G: {- g, Y; I多数词典还都不收,或者即使收了,也常常被淹没在主词条的一大堆释义里面,查得率很低
- k& v& |+ k; `* D这时候就得靠idioms和Phrasal verbs词典
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, Y1 B$ y  T: s- \相关的资源似乎不多,宇宙盘里只搜到三个
2 ~1 _8 N0 B1 _5 f+ LMcGraw-Hill Dictionary of American Idioms Phrasal Verbs
- b4 ~# }5 [1 ]/ T$ DLongman Phrasal Verbs Dictionary 2nd Edition3 e7 p0 c6 K$ H  U6 I7 o
Cambridge Phrasal Verbs Dictionary; P* e, i2 ~, x) V! D
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传说中的8 y7 W2 {  P7 w! B
A.P. Cowie Oxford dictionary of phrasal verbs未找到

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发表于 2014-9-12 20:49:18 | 显示全部楼层
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多的是。有空整理整理。
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牛津动词短语词典,有,甚至是双解的,不过是第一版的。
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看 superfan https://pdawiki.com/forum/thread-7100-1-1.html 牛津短语动词词典.7z http://u.115.com/file/clq40lt6#

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 楼主| 发表于 2014-9-12 21:19:18 | 显示全部楼层
Oeasy 发表于 2014-9-12 20:49' d/ J5 y& W5 c, n1 I
多的是。有空整理整理。5 C9 Y* Y+ _' l/ {; E- t4 B; [9 t

* E1 ^( j6 W- k7 n牛津动词短语词典,有,甚至是双解的,不过是第一版的。
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这个是英汉的,想找个英英的. w# D+ B$ a1 ?) ]2 A& O' N9 |
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idioms词典主要有" \6 E; E6 C3 A8 `; I
NTC's Thematic Dictionary of American Idioms
+ a3 t& }! \  q! w& |- pThe American Heritage Dictionary of Idioms
4 T, C! y% _- q/ h: DCambridge Idioms Dictionary& u" q# A- m: S$ ], {  r& a' I. [
Oxford Idiom 2004(这个什么都查不出来,没研究具体因为什么)8 ^+ a5 u) V4 e6 X1 w8 h0 o

+ m  V. n* t) u! J主要问题是,无论idioms还是phrasal verbs词典,都没有那种大全集一站式的! e! J; T" s( h& J+ u0 b% q' F: ~
有的收了这个有的收了那个,很零散,义项收的也不全
# J% a9 p9 v. Q) p& I8 W感觉各家出版社对这块都不太用心% Q  E+ V' P# W; x9 c4 l

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Oxford 那本的问题在于 headword 都是单词,而词组没有提取出来单列。它的例句给了出处,还是有特点的。  发表于 2016-3-10 10:09
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    [LV.10]以坛为家III

    发表于 2014-9-12 21:47:57 | 显示全部楼层
    全局搜索好像比什么都强:(longman5 extra)
    ' ~- C# _; e# C( m6 j$ xzgrep "sign off on" lextra.txt.xz - D2 E4 e6 O' O% L/ k( m2 ^
                    ▪ Question: How difficult was it for you, personally, to sign off on this deal?4 H9 Y' ^) ^% ?/ o" D2 ?
                    ▪ How could you not sign off on that?
    8 m) i: j: R! s3 F  a                ▪ Question: How difficult was it for you, personally, to sign off on this deal?7 x; N! `9 m9 r2 Z3 ^
                    ▪ Dalton, a 1964 academy graduate who spoke on honor at the academy last week, must sign off on the expulsion.
    * w* ^- h* T) q                ▪ President Clinton also is expected to sign off on the plan.: l. R! I6 m( V3 _6 z! \
    $ xzgrep "take the heat" lextra.txt.xz % }% ~' X) V, c( ^9 T* G) j- u
                    ▪ The election will take the heat off the constitutional issue, at least for the time being.* S1 c) J% R- U8 K8 W9 m4 F% K
                    ▪ Lowell's humour - unexpected - that could take the heat out of a fraught situation.4 d) p/ @# J* Y( Q6 i7 b
                    ▪ Hormones take the heat off Thousands of women suffer menopausal symptoms which could be relieved by a course of Hormone Replacement Therapy

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     楼主| 发表于 2014-9-12 21:58:02 | 显示全部楼层
    spoony1971 发表于 2014-9-12 21:47
    5 n; }# b- B3 H, J0 t2 I全局搜索好像比什么都强:(longman5 extra)
    ' N) W( h' V5 h; z) {$ xzgrep "sign off on" lextra.txt.xz , E; b4 j$ E6 i: m" z# I& j6 B6 V
                    & ...
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    估计全宇宙只有你这样用
    1 A1 k7 Y+ Z: Q我是懒得敲字

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    发表于 2014-9-13 06:14:53 | 显示全部楼层
    本帖最后由 zxjsjd 于 2014-9-13 06:17 编辑 & S  `; ]0 M: `, L% f

    & j, ^8 X& c! _+ ~4 |5 j这本最好,可惜没有电子版。而且也没见国内出版第二版。外研社说这本书取材最精审、解释最详明、例证最丰富、体例最严密。.5 M/ r, C( V7 p. s: f6 p
    http://book.douban.com/subject/1007151/
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    [LV.Master]伴坛终老

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    本帖最后由 wwoxxoyy 于 2014-9-13 07:22 编辑
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    sign off on something$ u9 f( p7 a) C9 g( y
    to sign a paper, indicating that one has finished with something or agrees with the state of something. The publisher signed off on the book and sent it to be printed. I refuse to sign off on this project until it is done correctly.
    3 d7 R7 \* y, d2 M6 hSee also: sign
    7 [. ?$ D1 e+ b$ J8 BMcGraw-Hill Dictionary of American Idioms and Phrasal Verbs. © 2002 by The McGraw-Hill Companies, Inc.$ X0 v3 |) @0 H

    ! k( D9 y  l( J2 L: n$ N# pake the heat and take some heat
    / A) F) e8 n0 n" O, [2 Q- PSl. to receive or put up with criticism (for something). The cops have been taking some heat about the Quincy killing. If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen.0 r5 e( d/ t; m, E4 o/ J" ]. R* X
    See also: heat, take
    # w: l! M7 q* V  P' |2 ~% L+ e$ KMcGraw-Hill Dictionary of American Idioms and Phrasal Verbs. © 2002 by The McGraw-Hill Companies, Inc.
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    ; W- G% G: @- i" Htake (great) pains to do something also go to (great) pains to do something
    . Z* q( ~1 M( u/ a! M* Yto try very hard to do something We took great pains to insure that no one felt left out.( r' `% B. D) o5 C4 n" Q/ K1 ]
    Related vocabulary: go to great lengths to do something9 d3 n7 C% p! }' R
    See also: pain, take
    + |- q5 U5 O/ K5 E' |+ Z4 ]% u  ZCambridge Dictionary of American Idioms Copyright © Cambridge University Press 2003. Reproduced with permission.
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    ( T+ @2 ?/ H: Btake a shot at someone or something 7 q$ ?4 _& L0 L( o
    1. to fire a shot at someone or something. The hunter took a shot at the deer. Who took a shot at my mailbox?
    , g  p2 l- {5 d2. Go to a try at something.+ d- u) d6 s# G1 K7 z/ U6 A# @
    See also: shot, take
    4 ^- r. @/ @2 n8 ?- XMcGraw-Hill Dictionary of American Idioms and Phrasal Verbs. © 2002 by The McGraw-Hill Companies, Inc.
    + w" x. l% u; x: I/ b+ A+ Etake a shot at something also have a shot at something
    ( ^& d4 L3 y7 \! u" hto make an attempt to do something give something a shot I wasn't sure of the answer, but I thought I'd take a shot at it anyway. He's proven himself to be a talented actor and now he's having a shot at directing.
    * ], ~' i4 k. L9 Q' H! S  pRelated vocabulary: give something a whirl
    7 {! f( q# ^3 U0 Q3 M3 ISee also: shot, take# Y. Z% v: |8 Z- n6 O; e4 U  V9 x
    Cambridge Dictionary of American Idioms Copyright © Cambridge University Press 2003. Reproduced with permission./ O0 e* \1 c# ]) b; d0 M1 W. p' R9 y

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    5 X1 q- S2 m3 c" d6 E  M& h4 Vhttp://www.thefreedictionary.com/7 n3 c5 m" T: G0 X& ^1 D2 j
    这个网站可能有你想要的,它的特点就是:引用别人的。' i) M: z/ s9 T" C" J% X9 `9 n
    要是能提取出来,可以做一个很全面的词典,应为它就是各类词典的打包。
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    发表于 2014-9-13 08:25:56 | 显示全部楼层
    或者即使收了,也常常被淹没在主词条的一大堆释义里面,查得率很低

    ; M* K) y" i5 s7 E, S; {  H# q# C解析下这些义,独立出来不行吗?分公快点,别重复

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    wwoxxoyy 发表于 2014-9-13 07:126 L3 p- p' _: ^( o- P( _5 R, X7 ?/ f
    sign off on something
    - K/ Q6 \& n( b4 T- b3 j8 Vto sign a paper, indicating that one has finished with something or agrees wi ...
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    TFD的确比较全,许多人查询时将其拍在reference.com前。

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    发表于 2014-9-14 23:03:33 | 显示全部楼层
    bt4baidu, 你那麽懂得計算機, 有什麼資源會拿不到啊
    ; s) y1 I7 M3 w% Q. t羨慕
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    [LV.1]初来乍到

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    本帖最后由 cnlion 于 2014-9-15 02:02 编辑
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    zxjsjd 发表于 2014-9-13 06:14- k1 o. ~' s+ x  O& B
    这本最好,可惜没有电子版。而且也没见国内出版第二版。外研社说这本书取材最精审、解释最详明、例证最丰富 ...
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    $ `& d; k6 x: B5 g这个有电子版,万能的X宝上就有卖的, 呵呵。 我有实体书, 不过说实在的,用着不太顺手。

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    发表于 2014-9-15 08:08:02 | 显示全部楼层
    cnlion 发表于 2014-9-15 02:01* ]& T0 h7 ^( u: X8 p: T
    这个有电子版,万能的X宝上就有卖的, 呵呵。 我有实体书, 不过说实在的,用着不太顺手。
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    我没找到电子版,没办法在X宝上买的实体书。
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    [LV.1]初来乍到

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    本帖最后由 bolome1 于 2014-9-15 13:13 编辑 ; z# `8 V8 c4 K; b. @* k

    ; R7 M/ F; S  k3 V( ~我一直以来是这么查短语的:
    , C; _2 p# z* O* q! ~& C( x1 S在 朗文双解4 查了上面的几个词组,都能查到,不过需分别查heat,sign,pain,shot,再在GD里面ctrl+f,很快就能找到。
    . V0 K4 B+ d5 M! W% ?8 a; R; K有时候柯林斯,韦氏高阶学习词典也能补充一下。3 u& x3 M- e5 ~" h0 O& D
    当然如果有本大而全的专门查短语的词典是极好的^_^& m7 J' S5 ~9 j0 z

    % V: s' J4 ^2 T, R1 \# l# v[朗文双解4]
    - ?, m0 v' j% d! m$ {% C6 Q7 z[U] strong feelings, especially anger or excitement 强烈的感情;愤怒;激动:5 I) C/ H1 w7 j# N: A: K8 a* |: i
    Reconciliation services can take the heat out of (=reduce the anger in)the dispute. 仲裁服务可以缓解冲突。
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    , s$ `1 {/ z+ N/ {. m1 Tsign sth ↔off BrE 【英】; sign off on sth AmE 【美】to show that you approve of a plan or that something is finished by signing an official document 签字认可;签字确认…已完成:' a  ]9 l; M4 f; d. F
    Major repainting work now needs to be signed off by a qualified engineer. 现在重要的重新油漆工作需要有资质的工程师签字认可。
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    : J' e& P$ U: etake/go to (great) pains to do sth also 又作 take pains with/over sth to make a special effort to do something 煞费苦心做某事;十分努力地做某事:
    * |$ [) M. l+ t& u2 i& oHe’s taken great pains to improve his image. 他煞费苦心地改善自己的形象。
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    [C] a)an act of firing a gun 开枪:
    + S9 t4 e% ^' E' lA crazy man took a shot at her (=tried to shoot her)from a rooftop. 一名精神错乱的男子从屋顶朝她开了一枪。
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    [韦氏高阶学习]& R) G' M6 l0 C7 s9 V# c8 S. s
    criticism or abuse& P, m; X. `$ D* S
    He will likely take/get a lot of heat for his decision- N$ ?: v$ u$ e5 m* Z  @

    5 f* D: t0 N8 M0 l& g: U, N! R! B8 ^% z- m* ^[牛津双解7]
    : d" a+ s( z) o9 H9 L- U [U] pressure on sb to do or achieve sth 压力;逼迫:/ v( K% x$ X2 {
    Can she take the heat of this level of competition?
    8 g$ R8 g0 l6 I& W) Y# h2 s& p& s她承受得了比赛到这个阶段的压力吗? 6 a( D1 M% L; `$ H3 m8 b
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    通过一番查询能找出传统词典的不足:take the heat 至少在不同的语境下有两个意思。
    - a, G$ L  m0 S2 a刚查询 http://www.wordandphrase.info/analyzeText.asp ,take the heat也算是比较常见的表达了,作为短语收词似乎没有啥不妥。

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    发表于 2014-9-26 05:07:02 | 显示全部楼层
    还有这个An Asperger Dictionary of Everyday Expressions,MDICT资料库有的
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    [LV.10]以坛为家III

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    本帖最后由 brianleeeee 于 2014-9-26 11:13 编辑
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    zxjsjd 发表于 2014-9-13 06:142 y0 M$ J# \( N4 J$ E
    这本最好,可惜没有电子版。而且也没见国内出版第二版。外研社说这本书取材最精审、解释最详明、例证最丰富 ...

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    PDF文件算电子版吗?

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    发表于 2014-9-26 18:41:27 | 显示全部楼层
    brianleeeee 发表于 2014-9-26 11:11
    + D9 K/ @- Y* y/ Y/ _PDF文件算电子版吗?
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    当然算
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    [LV.4]偶尔看看III

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    wwoxxoyy 发表于 2014-9-13 07:12# ^5 P+ r" Z; L8 Y5 o
    sign off on something" a& J# i4 `2 v+ R- z  Q
    to sign a paper, indicating that one has finished with something or agrees wit ...
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    就是这个在线网站 所有遇到的词组都能查到
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