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[词典讨论] idioms和Phrasal verbs词典也是少不了的

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发表于 2014-9-12 20:39:33 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
take the heat& F; l; e& a+ `2 c- O
sign off on
/ L& ^/ S# X# b; g& \take pains to0 q1 w9 ]. ~9 {9 X
take a shot at
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这种最讨厌,每个词都认识,连在一起意思就完全不同
$ L/ n1 x8 f9 `% M4 P' i2 k+ U% l多数词典还都不收,或者即使收了,也常常被淹没在主词条的一大堆释义里面,查得率很低
4 r$ m! t. Z- i2 L3 K) h& A1 ?4 \$ F$ o这时候就得靠idioms和Phrasal verbs词典
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相关的资源似乎不多,宇宙盘里只搜到三个
0 u) R2 d' X  P1 ]: E4 [; g) [7 bMcGraw-Hill Dictionary of American Idioms Phrasal Verbs
0 E6 G1 E4 g; E' u$ G# b. zLongman Phrasal Verbs Dictionary 2nd Edition" L: `% K, V; s. u! C1 T; A
Cambridge Phrasal Verbs Dictionary: v% X* p0 T6 n) @, y# T9 J

6 ]4 U" L5 M0 @传说中的
) |# A& I7 Y0 r' R3 V. {& ]A.P. Cowie Oxford dictionary of phrasal verbs未找到

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发表于 2014-9-12 20:49:18 | 显示全部楼层
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多的是。有空整理整理。& o/ S5 U. W, R

% n" f  F  O( y- `0 F. i牛津动词短语词典,有,甚至是双解的,不过是第一版的。9 u  s+ u3 R, t+ @/ A7 V+ [
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看 superfan https://pdawiki.com/forum/thread-7100-1-1.html 牛津短语动词词典.7z http://u.115.com/file/clq40lt6#

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 楼主| 发表于 2014-9-12 21:19:18 | 显示全部楼层
Oeasy 发表于 2014-9-12 20:498 ?6 l0 o7 @( O( R. c  `( P9 Y, A
多的是。有空整理整理。
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& c+ a. e3 a2 s牛津动词短语词典,有,甚至是双解的,不过是第一版的。
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这个是英汉的,想找个英英的5 Q& j/ b: |1 O& z7 p6 o4 J, b

! H) G9 [) D2 K, `1 Midioms词典主要有
  x. W2 o. A# v2 K+ HNTC's Thematic Dictionary of American Idioms
+ R: @# f# ~' QThe American Heritage Dictionary of Idioms
7 S- Y* |6 V! JCambridge Idioms Dictionary
) ^0 W( j. r! y5 Q  C' y2 X& j  {$ FOxford Idiom 2004(这个什么都查不出来,没研究具体因为什么)
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主要问题是,无论idioms还是phrasal verbs词典,都没有那种大全集一站式的
% c5 ^2 \; g) _( g3 K& w有的收了这个有的收了那个,很零散,义项收的也不全7 T2 W& B( g- {7 l4 B# A/ K1 a; \
感觉各家出版社对这块都不太用心
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Oxford 那本的问题在于 headword 都是单词,而词组没有提取出来单列。它的例句给了出处,还是有特点的。  发表于 2016-3-10 10:09
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    [LV.10]以坛为家III

    发表于 2014-9-12 21:47:57 | 显示全部楼层
    全局搜索好像比什么都强:(longman5 extra)5 t; ?! i) M/ s, t  j7 U
    $ xzgrep "sign off on" lextra.txt.xz . Z$ _2 t8 q+ X. v! |. b
                    ▪ Question: How difficult was it for you, personally, to sign off on this deal?, Y+ I. r" _9 m# r
                    ▪ How could you not sign off on that?
    - m7 Y% {1 I8 D' I& `! T                ▪ Question: How difficult was it for you, personally, to sign off on this deal?: n, T6 \) z. i5 a" X4 Y0 I
                    ▪ Dalton, a 1964 academy graduate who spoke on honor at the academy last week, must sign off on the expulsion.2 O/ V6 [" Z# L/ h6 [& L: _) `* k+ d
                    ▪ President Clinton also is expected to sign off on the plan.
    ( c% @- q' N" o$ xzgrep "take the heat" lextra.txt.xz ! f6 _: }. o/ }
                    ▪ The election will take the heat off the constitutional issue, at least for the time being.
    . C/ R9 ~6 n9 V/ ^                ▪ Lowell's humour - unexpected - that could take the heat out of a fraught situation./ p3 G/ U* S! r* w- W% I
                    ▪ Hormones take the heat off Thousands of women suffer menopausal symptoms which could be relieved by a course of Hormone Replacement Therapy

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     楼主| 发表于 2014-9-12 21:58:02 | 显示全部楼层
    spoony1971 发表于 2014-9-12 21:473 T* t) V7 \/ S7 u! M( h; T
    全局搜索好像比什么都强:(longman5 extra)
    2 J5 N2 p% l: n9 _/ e2 q$ xzgrep "sign off on" lextra.txt.xz ) |' P) C- V9 U4 M, M* K
                    & ...

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    估计全宇宙只有你这样用; Q+ n1 z  S' d' P5 X) B# `" P
    我是懒得敲字

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    发表于 2014-9-13 06:14:53 | 显示全部楼层
    本帖最后由 zxjsjd 于 2014-9-13 06:17 编辑 ! S% g' ^, }" ~* d2 y4 [
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    这本最好,可惜没有电子版。而且也没见国内出版第二版。外研社说这本书取材最精审、解释最详明、例证最丰富、体例最严密。.
    9 j0 ?8 F. K$ Q& b' t1 Xhttp://book.douban.com/subject/1007151/
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    [LV.Master]伴坛终老

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    本帖最后由 wwoxxoyy 于 2014-9-13 07:22 编辑 0 {1 _  N1 m9 H3 _  ], K& H! q1 E
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    sign off on something9 g4 b* e# k/ l, J$ u5 e7 J
    to sign a paper, indicating that one has finished with something or agrees with the state of something. The publisher signed off on the book and sent it to be printed. I refuse to sign off on this project until it is done correctly.8 Q, `6 W8 g( g
    See also: sign
    5 I% O! f( U2 r/ u% B& {8 x6 d! AMcGraw-Hill Dictionary of American Idioms and Phrasal Verbs. © 2002 by The McGraw-Hill Companies, Inc.
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    ake the heat and take some heat: m( [2 ~0 w) G+ n+ a  b3 {; W& T* n
    Sl. to receive or put up with criticism (for something). The cops have been taking some heat about the Quincy killing. If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen.' q/ \. L) W5 z7 G1 ]! G5 v# o- ?
    See also: heat, take: {; B6 U! Z  T: U8 ]2 z
    McGraw-Hill Dictionary of American Idioms and Phrasal Verbs. © 2002 by The McGraw-Hill Companies, Inc.# i/ |( U, E5 b. O3 g
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    take (great) pains to do something also go to (great) pains to do something; b- l% w$ g6 _' h$ `7 o
    to try very hard to do something We took great pains to insure that no one felt left out.
    6 X) {' X# k1 m' u( k% ZRelated vocabulary: go to great lengths to do something: L6 q: A4 b7 V: H: w7 q
    See also: pain, take. H, i3 F# \- ~; g' l6 H# h& s; G5 s
    Cambridge Dictionary of American Idioms Copyright © Cambridge University Press 2003. Reproduced with permission.& d" f/ {: O) b7 o3 @' E

    3 z3 o* m; @8 n2 @- k( etake a shot at someone or something " j2 S1 h- ^; V! H2 i& Z# z
    1. to fire a shot at someone or something. The hunter took a shot at the deer. Who took a shot at my mailbox?3 B# X# @1 y) h* c: D3 Z) Q
    2. Go to a try at something.. Z3 Y& M% ^; a) A- F- e( X7 ~  ~
    See also: shot, take4 Y0 z# X5 L, K* G5 a$ M& T
    McGraw-Hill Dictionary of American Idioms and Phrasal Verbs. © 2002 by The McGraw-Hill Companies, Inc.
    1 o' i" D  V$ \3 t. Htake a shot at something also have a shot at something3 l# o3 V8 f  [: l. v, `: E
    to make an attempt to do something give something a shot I wasn't sure of the answer, but I thought I'd take a shot at it anyway. He's proven himself to be a talented actor and now he's having a shot at directing.# Y: Q! t" o1 @8 }1 W
    Related vocabulary: give something a whirl- z6 S: J* p) q( U4 @  B1 n& @
    See also: shot, take( d4 B3 o$ s& P. @7 r
    Cambridge Dictionary of American Idioms Copyright © Cambridge University Press 2003. Reproduced with permission.
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    http://www.thefreedictionary.com/, x* l( s9 t( R  c7 z8 X
    这个网站可能有你想要的,它的特点就是:引用别人的。
    $ E( r, d' S' q+ ]( ~8 E要是能提取出来,可以做一个很全面的词典,应为它就是各类词典的打包。
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    发表于 2014-9-13 08:25:56 | 显示全部楼层
    或者即使收了,也常常被淹没在主词条的一大堆释义里面,查得率很低

    ' E. ?# ]0 a# r: y6 ~% `8 _( Z解析下这些义,独立出来不行吗?分公快点,别重复

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    发表于 2014-9-13 16:48:36 | 显示全部楼层
    wwoxxoyy 发表于 2014-9-13 07:12
    9 ^- J5 [7 A% G' Gsign off on something
    3 ~2 M4 Y' |# ]+ e/ M4 \+ \to sign a paper, indicating that one has finished with something or agrees wi ...

      a( @# P! ~  _; X; S7 e  O& mTFD的确比较全,许多人查询时将其拍在reference.com前。

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    发表于 2014-9-14 23:03:33 | 显示全部楼层
    bt4baidu, 你那麽懂得計算機, 有什麼資源會拿不到啊
    ( ^/ ], O& @. M2 L7 Y# j羨慕
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    [LV.1]初来乍到

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    zxjsjd 发表于 2014-9-13 06:14
    " ]/ F/ f" v9 b% h9 E这本最好,可惜没有电子版。而且也没见国内出版第二版。外研社说这本书取材最精审、解释最详明、例证最丰富 ...
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    这个有电子版,万能的X宝上就有卖的, 呵呵。 我有实体书, 不过说实在的,用着不太顺手。

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    发表于 2014-9-15 08:08:02 | 显示全部楼层
    cnlion 发表于 2014-9-15 02:01
    3 F8 K! @- o- r3 k# B) @) X2 H- k这个有电子版,万能的X宝上就有卖的, 呵呵。 我有实体书, 不过说实在的,用着不太顺手。

    3 B# z7 O1 m$ z1 L我没找到电子版,没办法在X宝上买的实体书。
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    [LV.1]初来乍到

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    本帖最后由 bolome1 于 2014-9-15 13:13 编辑 $ c; j2 h. d7 I& G

      `! u( H' k( S$ @0 d4 k+ M我一直以来是这么查短语的:
    7 e' c; e2 {5 R3 _, Q在 朗文双解4 查了上面的几个词组,都能查到,不过需分别查heat,sign,pain,shot,再在GD里面ctrl+f,很快就能找到。0 J2 H3 a6 y, `# T$ v2 g1 C3 o
    有时候柯林斯,韦氏高阶学习词典也能补充一下。' e! B, t1 q& [0 S
    当然如果有本大而全的专门查短语的词典是极好的^_^
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    [朗文双解4]
    ! \3 h$ Y# ]7 A0 g& ?[U] strong feelings, especially anger or excitement 强烈的感情;愤怒;激动:  K2 V6 O% z8 H6 C# d4 N* N) e+ d; {* \
    Reconciliation services can take the heat out of (=reduce the anger in)the dispute. 仲裁服务可以缓解冲突。
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    ' |" b# ]. P/ o9 Z) B6 Csign sth ↔off BrE 【英】; sign off on sth AmE 【美】to show that you approve of a plan or that something is finished by signing an official document 签字认可;签字确认…已完成:3 u' |+ h$ c( J! z2 S" r! `
    Major repainting work now needs to be signed off by a qualified engineer. 现在重要的重新油漆工作需要有资质的工程师签字认可。. t6 o- U- r' A0 n3 G2 H
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    take/go to (great) pains to do sth also 又作 take pains with/over sth to make a special effort to do something 煞费苦心做某事;十分努力地做某事:8 N4 t' \9 k. N5 s$ F
    He’s taken great pains to improve his image. 他煞费苦心地改善自己的形象。. s  {& a, b1 G7 e
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    [C] a)an act of firing a gun 开枪:
    * E( d- P$ a& H: E) AA crazy man took a shot at her (=tried to shoot her)from a rooftop. 一名精神错乱的男子从屋顶朝她开了一枪。
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    2 r4 C+ }* W% G1 V7 ecriticism or abuse9 P0 T% c9 t1 h6 F
    He will likely take/get a lot of heat for his decision
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    [牛津双解7]4 x* @1 l) d1 H( X3 ?* n0 B
    [U] pressure on sb to do or achieve sth 压力;逼迫:7 G% z! C2 H# z  x& `2 U
    Can she take the heat of this level of competition?( F$ p3 c. \7 L) r
    她承受得了比赛到这个阶段的压力吗?
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      }% H: M4 V3 A- Z通过一番查询能找出传统词典的不足:take the heat 至少在不同的语境下有两个意思。/ I' B; F5 F& o  @7 Z
    刚查询 http://www.wordandphrase.info/analyzeText.asp ,take the heat也算是比较常见的表达了,作为短语收词似乎没有啥不妥。

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    发表于 2014-9-26 05:07:02 | 显示全部楼层
    还有这个An Asperger Dictionary of Everyday Expressions,MDICT资料库有的
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    [LV.10]以坛为家III

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    本帖最后由 brianleeeee 于 2014-9-26 11:13 编辑
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    zxjsjd 发表于 2014-9-13 06:14! ?+ }8 m7 W0 E8 [2 ?" l
    这本最好,可惜没有电子版。而且也没见国内出版第二版。外研社说这本书取材最精审、解释最详明、例证最丰富 ...

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    PDF文件算电子版吗?

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    发表于 2014-9-26 18:41:27 | 显示全部楼层
    brianleeeee 发表于 2014-9-26 11:11$ N$ y! j* O, X! K: Z$ K8 C* G# O
    PDF文件算电子版吗?

    4 j6 \4 r( b, d, _当然算
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    [LV.4]偶尔看看III

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    wwoxxoyy 发表于 2014-9-13 07:125 k! w6 |" a8 ]6 d7 ]! F  {
    sign off on something& Z  h( a$ L2 X: g2 B& N
    to sign a paper, indicating that one has finished with something or agrees wit ...
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    就是这个在线网站 所有遇到的词组都能查到
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