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[词典讨论] idioms和Phrasal verbs词典也是少不了的

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发表于 2014-9-12 20:39:33 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
take the heat( L/ R' N2 Z; g6 o* i: a8 R$ w
sign off on
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take a shot at
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这种最讨厌,每个词都认识,连在一起意思就完全不同
. z) a. ~/ u- y5 w2 _  ~多数词典还都不收,或者即使收了,也常常被淹没在主词条的一大堆释义里面,查得率很低( N9 S* W! q% D. z9 t5 m
这时候就得靠idioms和Phrasal verbs词典+ M2 ~. B( ~  S! Y4 c. R5 s* D# i
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相关的资源似乎不多,宇宙盘里只搜到三个
9 S* d+ h+ Y7 y  t" K! f) t7 `% @$ XMcGraw-Hill Dictionary of American Idioms Phrasal Verbs+ t# z8 l  J% g) B+ Y  _
Longman Phrasal Verbs Dictionary 2nd Edition
$ i# b# L1 Q; v" }) w  M! I7 mCambridge Phrasal Verbs Dictionary+ m! K) x- I1 ~& Z4 F
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传说中的
7 T9 M/ l  m1 C$ i' N8 d2 XA.P. Cowie Oxford dictionary of phrasal verbs未找到

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发表于 2014-9-12 20:49:18 | 显示全部楼层
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多的是。有空整理整理。" o  W( }5 y2 i) T3 }2 `$ Z3 }% @

9 P( H  ^# A" p: b" u牛津动词短语词典,有,甚至是双解的,不过是第一版的。
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看 superfan https://pdawiki.com/forum/thread-7100-1-1.html 牛津短语动词词典.7z http://u.115.com/file/clq40lt6#

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 楼主| 发表于 2014-9-12 21:19:18 | 显示全部楼层
Oeasy 发表于 2014-9-12 20:49
# P. ]$ M! T0 M6 w+ Z% G# K多的是。有空整理整理。0 Y7 Y& E# Z* {/ u  l" ^9 v2 A- l
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牛津动词短语词典,有,甚至是双解的,不过是第一版的。

/ c, s4 ?1 V. g8 j这个是英汉的,想找个英英的
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idioms词典主要有
2 ^, @9 c! P& G6 mNTC's Thematic Dictionary of American Idioms
; l0 J- x, M% J) n( q7 AThe American Heritage Dictionary of Idioms, c7 T& V3 [7 p7 b" ^6 o
Cambridge Idioms Dictionary/ {+ V/ a3 E) J! n6 u1 e
Oxford Idiom 2004(这个什么都查不出来,没研究具体因为什么)
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主要问题是,无论idioms还是phrasal verbs词典,都没有那种大全集一站式的
8 U7 I7 F/ x9 |: K5 u5 C有的收了这个有的收了那个,很零散,义项收的也不全" R# T5 x+ [1 z# J
感觉各家出版社对这块都不太用心
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Oxford 那本的问题在于 headword 都是单词,而词组没有提取出来单列。它的例句给了出处,还是有特点的。  发表于 2016-3-10 10:09
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    [LV.10]以坛为家III

    发表于 2014-9-12 21:47:57 | 显示全部楼层
    全局搜索好像比什么都强:(longman5 extra)3 Q; Q! }! w4 y4 b) j$ C
    $ xzgrep "sign off on" lextra.txt.xz / C; ?% d9 U: @9 Q
                    ▪ Question: How difficult was it for you, personally, to sign off on this deal?
    " ^' j' O8 Y  u                ▪ How could you not sign off on that?" i$ ~8 U$ {% Q5 N, Z
                    ▪ Question: How difficult was it for you, personally, to sign off on this deal?
    + C2 H8 G' D- x% K/ {                ▪ Dalton, a 1964 academy graduate who spoke on honor at the academy last week, must sign off on the expulsion.
    : b, F! E" Q7 a3 L                ▪ President Clinton also is expected to sign off on the plan.
    7 T4 O* m3 ^2 ]4 b" o* y0 I$ xzgrep "take the heat" lextra.txt.xz
    5 C9 [4 I- S5 J/ G' _( I& S* I- p* v                ▪ The election will take the heat off the constitutional issue, at least for the time being.
    4 k4 ?, d, A9 f" d' t4 w                ▪ Lowell's humour - unexpected - that could take the heat out of a fraught situation.6 `- |. i, G4 U( M7 U" W% C. T
                    ▪ Hormones take the heat off Thousands of women suffer menopausal symptoms which could be relieved by a course of Hormone Replacement Therapy

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     楼主| 发表于 2014-9-12 21:58:02 | 显示全部楼层
    spoony1971 发表于 2014-9-12 21:474 E  k# L; R: b# p- y. u3 v' ?: N
    全局搜索好像比什么都强:(longman5 extra)
    + |; v7 t9 |+ K$ xzgrep "sign off on" lextra.txt.xz
    1 i0 n+ {1 t1 s8 a. S                & ...
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    3 F2 Q# }/ T9 S8 l估计全宇宙只有你这样用
    3 |6 j% N4 @5 G. w# j8 t我是懒得敲字

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    发表于 2014-9-13 06:14:53 | 显示全部楼层
    本帖最后由 zxjsjd 于 2014-9-13 06:17 编辑 1 n! C+ O% `" O/ b' {9 O
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    这本最好,可惜没有电子版。而且也没见国内出版第二版。外研社说这本书取材最精审、解释最详明、例证最丰富、体例最严密。.4 Z8 O0 n& E3 ^
    http://book.douban.com/subject/1007151/
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    [LV.Master]伴坛终老

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    本帖最后由 wwoxxoyy 于 2014-9-13 07:22 编辑
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    4 R7 w$ X0 n# t- V" ysign off on something( _: o: H( B/ A8 X
    to sign a paper, indicating that one has finished with something or agrees with the state of something. The publisher signed off on the book and sent it to be printed. I refuse to sign off on this project until it is done correctly.
    , u4 j$ b5 }9 l6 gSee also: sign- W4 A" X" a7 C# @/ s6 {( n: b$ q
    McGraw-Hill Dictionary of American Idioms and Phrasal Verbs. © 2002 by The McGraw-Hill Companies, Inc.
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    ake the heat and take some heat
    2 G6 g5 i% A, r5 qSl. to receive or put up with criticism (for something). The cops have been taking some heat about the Quincy killing. If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen.2 h+ \' g; ?. t$ c2 n, p+ h
    See also: heat, take% D6 Q' ~( L0 s, r/ p
    McGraw-Hill Dictionary of American Idioms and Phrasal Verbs. © 2002 by The McGraw-Hill Companies, Inc./ r- }0 d0 Y* H- c

    & w2 S3 ?# m6 j6 dtake (great) pains to do something also go to (great) pains to do something* i  {' I0 c4 \7 _: N+ m+ F
    to try very hard to do something We took great pains to insure that no one felt left out.
    + J2 A' ]. l* T9 I) tRelated vocabulary: go to great lengths to do something8 I4 W2 |$ ~$ _* h5 k' v( ^, [
    See also: pain, take" X9 ?& f, a. q: T! O+ i7 I& F
    Cambridge Dictionary of American Idioms Copyright © Cambridge University Press 2003. Reproduced with permission.
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    9 v6 U# K. I# W+ s/ a9 s: J: j8 ttake a shot at someone or something 4 k2 ^  Y; [6 J/ Z
    1. to fire a shot at someone or something. The hunter took a shot at the deer. Who took a shot at my mailbox?
    / |2 m0 T' q/ p$ @  v+ I1 K# V2. Go to a try at something.% z4 k1 k6 l; o# s/ e2 ]
    See also: shot, take. N, W; l. t# V# q3 K! |9 g
    McGraw-Hill Dictionary of American Idioms and Phrasal Verbs. © 2002 by The McGraw-Hill Companies, Inc.
    $ L1 N$ m9 c! B% M, Ctake a shot at something also have a shot at something
    , d, e+ d7 W9 G% l' T; S- r) zto make an attempt to do something give something a shot I wasn't sure of the answer, but I thought I'd take a shot at it anyway. He's proven himself to be a talented actor and now he's having a shot at directing.
    4 O6 C9 c$ u& K  yRelated vocabulary: give something a whirl$ {7 B7 K: k& S* V7 G' i3 k* O
    See also: shot, take
    # S; _$ L. O: r8 D* PCambridge Dictionary of American Idioms Copyright © Cambridge University Press 2003. Reproduced with permission.
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    http://www.thefreedictionary.com/9 i( c2 {$ K) e
    这个网站可能有你想要的,它的特点就是:引用别人的。- ^0 A' ^. a3 q2 C
    要是能提取出来,可以做一个很全面的词典,应为它就是各类词典的打包。/ l9 h" [- W! n

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    发表于 2014-9-13 08:25:56 | 显示全部楼层
    或者即使收了,也常常被淹没在主词条的一大堆释义里面,查得率很低

    # |0 C, e/ Q  a/ S解析下这些义,独立出来不行吗?分公快点,别重复

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    发表于 2014-9-13 16:48:36 | 显示全部楼层
    wwoxxoyy 发表于 2014-9-13 07:12: O6 l7 a$ Q+ u
    sign off on something; M( y/ }+ r; Y3 n; U) }5 ^
    to sign a paper, indicating that one has finished with something or agrees wi ...

    ! I! y: `/ J( w; r) fTFD的确比较全,许多人查询时将其拍在reference.com前。

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    发表于 2014-9-14 23:03:33 | 显示全部楼层
    bt4baidu, 你那麽懂得計算機, 有什麼資源會拿不到啊 0 f; Z+ t4 R3 }3 }# l
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    [LV.1]初来乍到

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    本帖最后由 cnlion 于 2014-9-15 02:02 编辑
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    zxjsjd 发表于 2014-9-13 06:14
    ( {: I. S3 t5 p/ ?$ Q" a) I这本最好,可惜没有电子版。而且也没见国内出版第二版。外研社说这本书取材最精审、解释最详明、例证最丰富 ...

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    & ~: @( w) M. S% G这个有电子版,万能的X宝上就有卖的, 呵呵。 我有实体书, 不过说实在的,用着不太顺手。

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    发表于 2014-9-15 08:08:02 | 显示全部楼层
    cnlion 发表于 2014-9-15 02:011 Y$ i/ Z2 K$ \
    这个有电子版,万能的X宝上就有卖的, 呵呵。 我有实体书, 不过说实在的,用着不太顺手。
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    我没找到电子版,没办法在X宝上买的实体书。
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    [LV.1]初来乍到

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    本帖最后由 bolome1 于 2014-9-15 13:13 编辑
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    我一直以来是这么查短语的:
    " @/ A* l) W  }9 O6 J在 朗文双解4 查了上面的几个词组,都能查到,不过需分别查heat,sign,pain,shot,再在GD里面ctrl+f,很快就能找到。: k0 `- G7 g' f# o4 l5 N+ p# D6 z
    有时候柯林斯,韦氏高阶学习词典也能补充一下。$ |- o0 p% {0 D' q' S
    当然如果有本大而全的专门查短语的词典是极好的^_^
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    [朗文双解4]
    8 E  D# P% J0 Y[U] strong feelings, especially anger or excitement 强烈的感情;愤怒;激动:
    8 m3 {" W6 m, @: a$ M  a1 xReconciliation services can take the heat out of (=reduce the anger in)the dispute. 仲裁服务可以缓解冲突。5 L# a8 a, x9 H4 `6 H* p
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    sign sth ↔off BrE 【英】; sign off on sth AmE 【美】to show that you approve of a plan or that something is finished by signing an official document 签字认可;签字确认…已完成:
    / K% y! [7 D, c. c) _Major repainting work now needs to be signed off by a qualified engineer. 现在重要的重新油漆工作需要有资质的工程师签字认可。
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    take/go to (great) pains to do sth also 又作 take pains with/over sth to make a special effort to do something 煞费苦心做某事;十分努力地做某事:
    ; [/ d' l; z8 D, ~4 h. h' NHe’s taken great pains to improve his image. 他煞费苦心地改善自己的形象。
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    , u6 x8 g' }! S* B7 i[C] a)an act of firing a gun 开枪:
    ! G) J( Y  ]1 F- EA crazy man took a shot at her (=tried to shoot her)from a rooftop. 一名精神错乱的男子从屋顶朝她开了一枪。
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    [韦氏高阶学习]
    . a2 M3 V8 F  u' Xcriticism or abuse0 X7 ~9 M8 O2 W$ V$ Y
    He will likely take/get a lot of heat for his decision8 d$ T0 ~& f+ ^' N; o, q1 ^

    * u( X! b. S1 o# k+ G: N5 t7 k; g[牛津双解7]
    9 @" T5 ]. {3 n) @$ z8 m [U] pressure on sb to do or achieve sth 压力;逼迫:
    % x% _: G) L) p8 F$ a/ PCan she take the heat of this level of competition?
    7 T4 Y6 ^) P# @& ~她承受得了比赛到这个阶段的压力吗?
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    通过一番查询能找出传统词典的不足:take the heat 至少在不同的语境下有两个意思。2 \$ f: p! w, R
    刚查询 http://www.wordandphrase.info/analyzeText.asp ,take the heat也算是比较常见的表达了,作为短语收词似乎没有啥不妥。

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    发表于 2014-9-26 05:07:02 | 显示全部楼层
    还有这个An Asperger Dictionary of Everyday Expressions,MDICT资料库有的
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    [LV.10]以坛为家III

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    本帖最后由 brianleeeee 于 2014-9-26 11:13 编辑
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    zxjsjd 发表于 2014-9-13 06:14/ X& Y2 E& |4 X' G
    这本最好,可惜没有电子版。而且也没见国内出版第二版。外研社说这本书取材最精审、解释最详明、例证最丰富 ...

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    ' F% C. ?& |; n/ v& g7 rPDF文件算电子版吗?

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    发表于 2014-9-26 18:41:27 | 显示全部楼层
    brianleeeee 发表于 2014-9-26 11:11% O& I6 W" t) {$ C0 H& ^& G
    PDF文件算电子版吗?
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    当然算
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    [LV.4]偶尔看看III

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    wwoxxoyy 发表于 2014-9-13 07:12
    ! q' z: u* w& m7 C( K; {  Z6 Xsign off on something0 q' {" w/ u/ F' e6 B: u4 M
    to sign a paper, indicating that one has finished with something or agrees wit ...

    / y% d9 \' D  e+ I+ z6 O8 f' f就是这个在线网站 所有遇到的词组都能查到
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