插入语 however obvious 是不是多余的

enti

经济学人 <India shows how hard it is to move beyond fossil fuels>
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& ~6 k+ R' X# A+ o& {: p/ aIt is one thing to recognise the imperative for reducing coal in a country’s energy mix. It is another to consider the ramifications of shifting from a cheap source of fuel native to India. A swing through coal country provides a sobering illustration of how hard it is to wean a country off fossil fuels. The first thing you notice, however obvious, is that coal is grimy. It cakes roadsides and blackens rivers and lungs with soot.

) c- g7 L! j5 m9 Y我理解的 however 是转折的意思, 但是这里并没有啊, 感觉没有这个 however obvious 更通顺

loveaffairs

However obvious = although it is quite obvious.

, r& L) \7 N2 x) g/ |7 F* p这个插入语不是多于的，是作者用于软化自己语气的。作者刚要指出大家注意到的第一件事，然后加上“当然啦，这一点很显然”，言外之意就是我不说你们也知道。

英文地道与否，往往体现在这些细小的地方。

enti

however obvious that the coal is grimy, it is the first thing you notice?

otterup

however obvious,无论多明显。

enti

7 r, U) |/ g$ |所以它是副词？
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(adv)            : used to say that it does not matter how big, good, serious etc something is because it will not change a situation in any way
eg               ：You should report any incident, however minor it is.

The first thing you notice, however obvious (you notice it), is that coal is grimy.
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是这样理解么？

dfliaoyue

在这里：
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565079101

明显不是多余的，加强语气，有其自身存在的意义

enti

可是， 这个加强语气也太奇怪了吧， 翻译成中文就成了 “无论煤多脏这件事情是有多显眼，你都一定会注意到”

+ D7 X/ t$ w+ z! b9 R) B9 W+ w除非是说 无论它有多不显眼， 你都一定会注意到它
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. }: V% J; ]0 G1 i反正我觉得理解困难

dfliaoyue

enti 发表于 2018-8-7 23:42
# P$ E0 c# `/ |& `- X8 f8 a$ \可是， 这个加强语气也太奇怪了吧， 翻译成中文就成了 “无论煤多脏这件事情是有多显眼，你都一定会注意到 ...

之前没细看。是有这个问题。估计是作者写句子把口头禅写进去了？

enti

还能这样啊， 坑

shirleyma7996

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The first thing you notice, however obvious （it is）, is that coal is grimy.
在我看来，这里面的it指的是the first thing，也就是coal is grimy.
however obvious 意思就是“不管明显的程度如何”
' r1 h3 U. A' Y9 Q为了理解起来更加通顺，可以这样翻译“不管明显与否，你所注意到的第一点就是煤又黑又脏。”

enti

原来是这样， 感谢答疑