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[词典讨论] idioms和Phrasal verbs词典也是少不了的

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发表于 2014-9-12 20:39:33 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
take the heat
2 O( Z! E6 Z3 A/ o$ ^9 U' ?. j4 Ksign off on
- V4 I3 x& \9 t; M8 Qtake pains to6 z& b9 Y4 o, C9 w3 [
take a shot at! G; {$ P3 c; @. k
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这种最讨厌,每个词都认识,连在一起意思就完全不同6 |% l% N' v  }0 }
多数词典还都不收,或者即使收了,也常常被淹没在主词条的一大堆释义里面,查得率很低
1 F2 a: F7 w1 \这时候就得靠idioms和Phrasal verbs词典
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相关的资源似乎不多,宇宙盘里只搜到三个: v1 T" Q+ j5 `$ [
McGraw-Hill Dictionary of American Idioms Phrasal Verbs; L% q1 t2 j% R
Longman Phrasal Verbs Dictionary 2nd Edition
4 @/ V& ^; A2 Q/ K: jCambridge Phrasal Verbs Dictionary
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传说中的
: s3 S9 B/ o+ D( jA.P. Cowie Oxford dictionary of phrasal verbs未找到

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发表于 2014-9-12 20:49:18 | 显示全部楼层
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多的是。有空整理整理。4 B3 M) u, |: G/ n2 v  ~5 ^3 }

* X6 z8 J1 @: u% z* H; G7 A牛津动词短语词典,有,甚至是双解的,不过是第一版的。
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7 U. @) ]% k6 G/ S4 y! z7 I0 |5 R, f看 superfan https://pdawiki.com/forum/thread-7100-1-1.html 牛津短语动词词典.7z http://u.115.com/file/clq40lt6#

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 楼主| 发表于 2014-9-12 21:19:18 | 显示全部楼层
Oeasy 发表于 2014-9-12 20:49
' d9 I$ ]& g  U1 |3 J8 l多的是。有空整理整理。
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+ L1 _9 U* q/ j) E* X# F# O2 d: ^5 A牛津动词短语词典,有,甚至是双解的,不过是第一版的。

) U9 [5 m$ l% o: f1 b7 j. O  z这个是英汉的,想找个英英的$ v1 g5 e6 s0 ?$ H' _3 a3 [  x
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idioms词典主要有
! H, W! o4 \0 gNTC's Thematic Dictionary of American Idioms/ Z) B; U' l1 j" L
The American Heritage Dictionary of Idioms+ U& [- ~/ Y* a3 \# U) a- [* m/ L
Cambridge Idioms Dictionary- [" s6 Q* D% D9 E0 x
Oxford Idiom 2004(这个什么都查不出来,没研究具体因为什么)0 T: f1 W4 e0 a8 H5 O$ O
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主要问题是,无论idioms还是phrasal verbs词典,都没有那种大全集一站式的
) N# w& o/ b' N有的收了这个有的收了那个,很零散,义项收的也不全
+ U( t8 L+ y* y) i) c5 Q感觉各家出版社对这块都不太用心
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Oxford 那本的问题在于 headword 都是单词,而词组没有提取出来单列。它的例句给了出处,还是有特点的。  发表于 2016-3-10 10:09
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    [LV.10]以坛为家III

    发表于 2014-9-12 21:47:57 | 显示全部楼层
    全局搜索好像比什么都强:(longman5 extra)  L' C" i# S$ h+ [0 {. I; C
    $ xzgrep "sign off on" lextra.txt.xz
    ! z' i$ j8 ~$ p4 {% g; v) c                ▪ Question: How difficult was it for you, personally, to sign off on this deal?9 ?: s% k+ P8 ]  g) g
                    ▪ How could you not sign off on that?* P( r1 n7 A4 P( ?* T& Q
                    ▪ Question: How difficult was it for you, personally, to sign off on this deal?: j. n+ T& T4 Z+ t0 U
                    ▪ Dalton, a 1964 academy graduate who spoke on honor at the academy last week, must sign off on the expulsion.
    / y  `3 y8 ]' A2 H, d                ▪ President Clinton also is expected to sign off on the plan.
    , `6 H9 T' _& g$ m* Q5 k$ D! a7 M$ xzgrep "take the heat" lextra.txt.xz
    - g" R2 P! A0 f! V4 [                ▪ The election will take the heat off the constitutional issue, at least for the time being.0 f6 f! v0 ?7 N5 I! U$ K
                    ▪ Lowell's humour - unexpected - that could take the heat out of a fraught situation.$ w9 E4 n* B3 q0 W# u
                    ▪ Hormones take the heat off Thousands of women suffer menopausal symptoms which could be relieved by a course of Hormone Replacement Therapy

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     楼主| 发表于 2014-9-12 21:58:02 | 显示全部楼层
    spoony1971 发表于 2014-9-12 21:47
    , d* \6 W0 U1 \* \4 e' `全局搜索好像比什么都强:(longman5 extra)- `; A2 d1 J. \
    $ xzgrep "sign off on" lextra.txt.xz 3 `6 p; |7 q  S% M; z0 u  o
                    & ...

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    估计全宇宙只有你这样用
    9 q1 ]4 ]. y1 m我是懒得敲字

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    本帖最后由 zxjsjd 于 2014-9-13 06:17 编辑 * a/ {1 g- g7 _; F( ^# ], B
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    这本最好,可惜没有电子版。而且也没见国内出版第二版。外研社说这本书取材最精审、解释最详明、例证最丰富、体例最严密。.
    5 _9 |' x; ^- k: m9 Phttp://book.douban.com/subject/1007151/
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    [LV.Master]伴坛终老

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    本帖最后由 wwoxxoyy 于 2014-9-13 07:22 编辑   d$ V5 \+ h9 w% R
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    sign off on something% m; Z  u$ y3 s0 v8 U) j( z  P
    to sign a paper, indicating that one has finished with something or agrees with the state of something. The publisher signed off on the book and sent it to be printed. I refuse to sign off on this project until it is done correctly.2 G  z* \& G. n$ E% t' r' E7 h
    See also: sign7 p# l/ L3 W: M( ~5 v6 J* s
    McGraw-Hill Dictionary of American Idioms and Phrasal Verbs. © 2002 by The McGraw-Hill Companies, Inc.
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    * v% K) `+ Q/ _, Y/ iake the heat and take some heat$ O' X) V: n# z" _2 r6 ^: z# [8 l
    Sl. to receive or put up with criticism (for something). The cops have been taking some heat about the Quincy killing. If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen.
    4 n$ I3 f5 D" j/ s% v! m4 oSee also: heat, take& h6 o: a* ^3 s1 N% ~
    McGraw-Hill Dictionary of American Idioms and Phrasal Verbs. © 2002 by The McGraw-Hill Companies, Inc.. s) }+ T% a$ g. ~
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    take (great) pains to do something also go to (great) pains to do something
    % G6 I% @% g0 ], @- Tto try very hard to do something We took great pains to insure that no one felt left out.7 Z) U/ l7 B2 Z9 i4 f( w, b; p+ W
    Related vocabulary: go to great lengths to do something; x- q% t  W2 a5 y! E$ b, A
    See also: pain, take( S8 w: Z1 a! X+ J" p( u( @+ D1 h
    Cambridge Dictionary of American Idioms Copyright © Cambridge University Press 2003. Reproduced with permission.( g  {7 h% S( T, V, H4 u+ t
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    take a shot at someone or something 5 }  f& Y/ N/ u8 c# b# a# Z) b; F
    1. to fire a shot at someone or something. The hunter took a shot at the deer. Who took a shot at my mailbox?
    - L4 H" B8 h1 t/ s$ e  @& R2. Go to a try at something.
    : W' f/ M+ Z; U5 N) B' t  Z6 @See also: shot, take" x6 q& P. O7 H# f! l& a' ~
    McGraw-Hill Dictionary of American Idioms and Phrasal Verbs. © 2002 by The McGraw-Hill Companies, Inc.
    ; I- f, Z6 U0 O3 Ttake a shot at something also have a shot at something
    0 A3 U# z+ J! y! G" f( {2 ~7 |, bto make an attempt to do something give something a shot I wasn't sure of the answer, but I thought I'd take a shot at it anyway. He's proven himself to be a talented actor and now he's having a shot at directing.) t( U. X8 V  y: J, n; r8 W1 ~
    Related vocabulary: give something a whirl
    7 ~1 z0 _& R/ b: P  ^2 h, eSee also: shot, take3 n, S' g  l  e9 R) `& s) b% N
    Cambridge Dictionary of American Idioms Copyright © Cambridge University Press 2003. Reproduced with permission.
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    $ q2 ^' _' j4 T9 Uhttp://www.thefreedictionary.com/
    " u9 c4 O3 `* ]3 r/ P这个网站可能有你想要的,它的特点就是:引用别人的。- `( f9 i8 k  H, x' Q  ]" A
    要是能提取出来,可以做一个很全面的词典,应为它就是各类词典的打包。" f: W# Q6 r* n3 _) _: F' h( E

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    发表于 2014-9-13 08:25:56 | 显示全部楼层
    或者即使收了,也常常被淹没在主词条的一大堆释义里面,查得率很低

    * J; i; l2 d+ E. V; V3 Y2 h解析下这些义,独立出来不行吗?分公快点,别重复

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    wwoxxoyy 发表于 2014-9-13 07:12$ j7 x& j  R( S  a* u+ I5 w1 v$ G$ i
    sign off on something7 y+ A8 y# R! j4 W8 ^
    to sign a paper, indicating that one has finished with something or agrees wi ...

    6 R: @1 D2 v+ ^$ LTFD的确比较全,许多人查询时将其拍在reference.com前。

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    发表于 2014-9-14 23:03:33 | 显示全部楼层
    bt4baidu, 你那麽懂得計算機, 有什麼資源會拿不到啊
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    [LV.1]初来乍到

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    zxjsjd 发表于 2014-9-13 06:14
    & E. ?" ?. Z/ Z  P! h这本最好,可惜没有电子版。而且也没见国内出版第二版。外研社说这本书取材最精审、解释最详明、例证最丰富 ...

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    这个有电子版,万能的X宝上就有卖的, 呵呵。 我有实体书, 不过说实在的,用着不太顺手。

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    发表于 2014-9-15 08:08:02 | 显示全部楼层
    cnlion 发表于 2014-9-15 02:01; |6 v$ B! u+ B# n
    这个有电子版,万能的X宝上就有卖的, 呵呵。 我有实体书, 不过说实在的,用着不太顺手。
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    我没找到电子版,没办法在X宝上买的实体书。
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    [LV.1]初来乍到

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    本帖最后由 bolome1 于 2014-9-15 13:13 编辑
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    我一直以来是这么查短语的:
    9 Y; i8 |) w2 q0 E# c7 M在 朗文双解4 查了上面的几个词组,都能查到,不过需分别查heat,sign,pain,shot,再在GD里面ctrl+f,很快就能找到。1 `! V$ P3 Z7 A8 u! X% q
    有时候柯林斯,韦氏高阶学习词典也能补充一下。
      Y" }8 c- }9 E& N) M" q5 O当然如果有本大而全的专门查短语的词典是极好的^_^6 s3 c2 ~2 }1 {4 ^' m
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    [朗文双解4]* U* \6 G6 f( {+ B) L" ~
    [U] strong feelings, especially anger or excitement 强烈的感情;愤怒;激动:
    6 o$ W( K# U" ?5 s! f0 dReconciliation services can take the heat out of (=reduce the anger in)the dispute. 仲裁服务可以缓解冲突。
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      v$ y- k8 w# \/ ]8 E; T5 x2 }sign sth ↔off BrE 【英】; sign off on sth AmE 【美】to show that you approve of a plan or that something is finished by signing an official document 签字认可;签字确认…已完成:
    , P: t' h/ u8 [1 [( ?4 cMajor repainting work now needs to be signed off by a qualified engineer. 现在重要的重新油漆工作需要有资质的工程师签字认可。% U3 P8 ~+ E; u: {' R
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    take/go to (great) pains to do sth also 又作 take pains with/over sth to make a special effort to do something 煞费苦心做某事;十分努力地做某事:7 P. L* j# y  ~4 O+ {4 N+ q
    He’s taken great pains to improve his image. 他煞费苦心地改善自己的形象。9 D- a3 E/ O4 D% D" B' M/ [

    ' `9 r, e( B0 E3 Y[C] a)an act of firing a gun 开枪:, X3 l8 u/ s& N) L& U2 V
    A crazy man took a shot at her (=tried to shoot her)from a rooftop. 一名精神错乱的男子从屋顶朝她开了一枪。
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    [韦氏高阶学习]
    5 H0 Y4 B& ?+ ncriticism or abuse
    $ o( Q( ?  m: P3 ?* B* LHe will likely take/get a lot of heat for his decision3 H& X, ]: b. V, S! T0 g

    & b# U1 F% c7 P[牛津双解7]
    # N! w" X5 }% @  O3 i3 X [U] pressure on sb to do or achieve sth 压力;逼迫:0 Q) p5 O. D6 X  p0 M
    Can she take the heat of this level of competition?/ Y5 D" ]; L" R/ H8 a
    她承受得了比赛到这个阶段的压力吗?
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    通过一番查询能找出传统词典的不足:take the heat 至少在不同的语境下有两个意思。# z2 Y6 M: z4 d' I2 J$ ~* ]2 F
    刚查询 http://www.wordandphrase.info/analyzeText.asp ,take the heat也算是比较常见的表达了,作为短语收词似乎没有啥不妥。

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    发表于 2014-9-26 05:07:02 | 显示全部楼层
    还有这个An Asperger Dictionary of Everyday Expressions,MDICT资料库有的
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    [LV.10]以坛为家III

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    本帖最后由 brianleeeee 于 2014-9-26 11:13 编辑
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    zxjsjd 发表于 2014-9-13 06:14/ |9 I' w( J- m4 A! M; U- z0 R+ m
    这本最好,可惜没有电子版。而且也没见国内出版第二版。外研社说这本书取材最精审、解释最详明、例证最丰富 ...

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    PDF文件算电子版吗?

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    brianleeeee 发表于 2014-9-26 11:11
    0 R# I" ?. O0 c$ C6 V4 d( p4 }% P; ^PDF文件算电子版吗?
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    当然算
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    [LV.4]偶尔看看III

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    wwoxxoyy 发表于 2014-9-13 07:12
    + ?) A( P& v& l; t- Osign off on something6 b& v5 Y( ?- H5 b: F
    to sign a paper, indicating that one has finished with something or agrees wit ...

    1 [( ]% j& b/ _. r- e4 d# V0 Y$ q就是这个在线网站 所有遇到的词组都能查到
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