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[语言求助] consult lawyers or consult with lawyers

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发表于 2016-11-21 10:07:17 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
本帖最后由 Littlebush 于 2016-11-21 10:14 编辑
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近期的NYT有这么一个句子Jared Kushner, the son-in-law of President-elect Donald Trump, has consulted with lawyers about the possibility of joining the new administration, a move that could run afoul of federal nepotism laws and would all but certainly invite legal challenges. 印象中consult doctor/lawyer等professional的时候应该是vt,查词典也是vt,那么这个consult with 是否属于误用?BTW,英语中的名词的数和动词的及物或非及物确实让人头痛。
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    [LV.9]以坛为家II

    发表于 2016-11-21 11:32:03 | 显示全部楼层
    consult 做及物动词是“咨询”,做不及物动词是“商量”,楼主又不查词典

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    发表于 2016-11-21 12:28:28 | 显示全部楼层
    本帖最后由 spearonsquare 于 2016-11-21 12:46 编辑
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    Consult: vt, vi! U% M! r  h4 ]9 I. |: V  Q
    to ask for information or advice from someone because it is their job to know something:
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    //If symptoms persist, consult a doctor without delay.
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    consult somebody about something
    8 d5 N- t" B" f5 j//An increasing number of people are consulting their accountants about the tax laws.1 K8 x8 ~8 ^% F, h

    $ `0 ?- W, ?, `$ J//consult with:
    ' }3 W4 G: b% e, V% s" Q+ \I need to consult with my lawyer.$ j1 N/ A) V+ N/ R% k7 o$ Z

    5 `, r/ h2 S% N1 m# M//see/consult a lawyer (=talk to a lawyer for advice)9 b4 P& K5 C4 b2 Q  s0 ~
    She has consulted a lawyer and is considering whether to sue Bailey.
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    to ask advice of : seek the opinion of : apply to for information or instruction
    4 _  A2 C6 D! S& K- r& Mconsult a doctor about an ailment7 q9 D, t9 z9 J# Q( Y" U
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    vi.
    0 c( n0 ^; r7 l' S8 j, v, \to take counsel : deliberate together : confer5 I* ^9 V4 s% B- c& t( K4 \
    after consulting with a lawyer' z8 `0 h% v/ g$ ~. {" w' q' h" e
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    vt.
    9 Q4 `9 B( o5 w" I2 p$ H2 ]/ X! Tto ask the advice or opinion of
      z0 G0 S% ~0 I4 ]. C* consult a doctor
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    7 `( W* {6 d& [; Kto consult an individual

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     楼主| 发表于 2016-11-21 12:55:22 | 显示全部楼层
    本帖最后由 Littlebush 于 2016-11-21 13:06 编辑
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    嗯,开始没查朗文,正确的usage应该是做查词典、地图等时时vt,做咨询、商量解时vt vi均可以,还可以这么理解,如果consult的是sb,vt vi均可以,consult的是sth,例如dictionary、map etc,vt,简单准确。
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    [LV.8]以坛为家I

    发表于 2016-11-21 15:40:45 | 显示全部楼层
    consult with 是属于北美用法

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    发表于 2016-11-21 16:00:48 | 显示全部楼层
    petergaoshanwei 发表于 2016-11-21 15:40+ x5 I; R& n# T; z0 W) O) r1 e
    consult with 是属于北美用法

    ( ^" S* Z4 ?& f3 \感谢peter的解释。
    % w9 K5 G2 E" h$ k' ~8 M4 O; ^% O的确有一点区别:
    % L. T5 {# \+ |/ T* G9 j$ d/ Thttp://forum.wordreference.com/t ... nsult-with.2262139/* r, s7 g7 H0 ~5 U% ?8 m
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    If you consult with someone then you each consult the other, on an equal footing. For example:
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    If you consult someone, they have some information or an opinion, and you go to them in order to get it from them. It only happens in one direction. For example:
    9 m5 W/ u# m/ e2 g[*=1]If you feel ill, you should consult a doctor.6 [2 j. {! n* M) b: E
    [*=1]To check the meaning of a word, I consult my dictionary.
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    [LV.3]偶尔看看II

    发表于 2016-11-21 22:21:56 | 显示全部楼层
    consult with sb (about/on sth)◆Consult with your physician about possible treatments.向你的醫生咨詢可行的治療方

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     楼主| 发表于 2016-11-22 11:14:56 | 显示全部楼层
    spearonsquare 发表于 2016-11-21 16:00
    3 Y% s+ o; ~3 ]6 m感谢peter的解释。
    9 ~% L5 E* B8 J6 F3 c4 {2 x6 N! A的确有一点区别:
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    区别其实很微弱,也可以说没有区别。真正的要害在于:当做seek professional advice or discuss with sb to make a decision这2个意思解的时候,consult 或 consult with均可以,consult with也并非北美用法,我也经常看到美国的医学方面的报道用的consult your doctor这样的说法,btw,有人说doctor是英国的用法,美国说physician,但其实并非如此,美国也经常说doctor。All in all,语言这玩意很多时候没有特比clear-cut的distinction,这给user造成很大的困扰。

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    感谢,英语的确“特例”太多。  发表于 2016-11-22 15:03
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