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[语言求助] consult lawyers or consult with lawyers

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发表于 2016-11-21 10:07:17 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
本帖最后由 Littlebush 于 2016-11-21 10:14 编辑 4 U5 T/ D) k0 g% a  C8 o5 L; i( r: H

+ j( S2 T! U) o4 s近期的NYT有这么一个句子Jared Kushner, the son-in-law of President-elect Donald Trump, has consulted with lawyers about the possibility of joining the new administration, a move that could run afoul of federal nepotism laws and would all but certainly invite legal challenges. 印象中consult doctor/lawyer等professional的时候应该是vt,查词典也是vt,那么这个consult with 是否属于误用?BTW,英语中的名词的数和动词的及物或非及物确实让人头痛。
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    [LV.8]以坛为家I

    发表于 2016-11-21 11:32:03 | 显示全部楼层
    consult 做及物动词是“咨询”,做不及物动词是“商量”,楼主又不查词典

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    发表于 2016-11-21 12:28:28 | 显示全部楼层
    本帖最后由 spearonsquare 于 2016-11-21 12:46 编辑
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    LDOCE5:
    / t; u- x1 c6 L4 RConsult: vt, vi( p8 L4 b- E8 E4 z' Y  |! Q
    to ask for information or advice from someone because it is their job to know something:
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    //If symptoms persist, consult a doctor without delay.
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    consult somebody about something4 V$ D2 }1 G4 a6 F
    //An increasing number of people are consulting their accountants about the tax laws.! R' C( h/ s% [) t5 f* Q

    ( i1 c: D* U3 u7 k( J) E//consult with:: W: a% P' q( [- f) |1 b" T
    I need to consult with my lawyer.
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    + M/ a& L  J2 O) D4 b9 }5 n+ v//see/consult a lawyer (=talk to a lawyer for advice)2 [) G! p' B4 _! M3 B
    She has consulted a lawyer and is considering whether to sue Bailey.4 Z  S$ b$ ?" Y" c& n$ p
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    to ask advice of : seek the opinion of : apply to for information or instruction% v' B; f5 u& j3 ~1 m7 G. {- e
    consult a doctor about an ailment
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    % V$ Y0 X6 _: uto take counsel : deliberate together : confer
    0 n6 x$ }6 F3 u2 m1 c" n5 Vafter consulting with a lawyer& x) r  @% `) q* s1 n  ?+ C9 B
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    vt.
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    * consult a doctor, S2 x" c3 ^4 m1 G
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    to consult an individual

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     楼主| 发表于 2016-11-21 12:55:22 | 显示全部楼层
    本帖最后由 Littlebush 于 2016-11-21 13:06 编辑 / D" x/ S$ g, G
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    嗯,开始没查朗文,正确的usage应该是做查词典、地图等时时vt,做咨询、商量解时vt vi均可以,还可以这么理解,如果consult的是sb,vt vi均可以,consult的是sth,例如dictionary、map etc,vt,简单准确。
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    [LV.8]以坛为家I

    发表于 2016-11-21 15:40:45 | 显示全部楼层
    consult with 是属于北美用法

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    发表于 2016-11-21 16:00:48 | 显示全部楼层
    petergaoshanwei 发表于 2016-11-21 15:40! d% k1 z2 L/ \
    consult with 是属于北美用法
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    感谢peter的解释。
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    * q6 c0 S6 t# m5 z& d7 N. bhttp://forum.wordreference.com/t ... nsult-with.2262139/6 A+ l* _& S. h- q3 u# I

    8 k8 o( y, N* C' J6 E9 A; J1 YIf you consult with someone then you each consult the other, on an equal footing. For example:- H2 X; z& F% S! `
    [*=1]"What time do you and your wife want to visit us this evening?"[*=1]"I don't know---I need to consult with her first"[*=1]The two of you then consult with each other to agree what answer to give.
    # o/ y; F$ k- f; c" _8 P3 ^If you consult someone, they have some information or an opinion, and you go to them in order to get it from them. It only happens in one direction. For example:
    $ ]( a; X' H) _) s$ L[*=1]If you feel ill, you should consult a doctor.8 L" ~9 e+ X7 U& l
    [*=1]To check the meaning of a word, I consult my dictionary.
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    [LV.3]偶尔看看II

    发表于 2016-11-21 22:21:56 | 显示全部楼层
    consult with sb (about/on sth)◆Consult with your physician about possible treatments.向你的醫生咨詢可行的治療方

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     楼主| 发表于 2016-11-22 11:14:56 | 显示全部楼层
    spearonsquare 发表于 2016-11-21 16:00
    , s* ~7 g* ]9 C" ~- |7 U. |感谢peter的解释。4 t1 H; Y  U' t
    的确有一点区别:5 L5 U# c; y( l6 j& A+ x& y
    http://forum.wordreference.com/threads/consult-and-consult-wi ...

      D$ j8 K( y" l  L" J区别其实很微弱,也可以说没有区别。真正的要害在于:当做seek professional advice or discuss with sb to make a decision这2个意思解的时候,consult 或 consult with均可以,consult with也并非北美用法,我也经常看到美国的医学方面的报道用的consult your doctor这样的说法,btw,有人说doctor是英国的用法,美国说physician,但其实并非如此,美国也经常说doctor。All in all,语言这玩意很多时候没有特比clear-cut的distinction,这给user造成很大的困扰。

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    感谢,英语的确“特例”太多。  发表于 2016-11-22 15:03
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