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[语言求助] consult lawyers or consult with lawyers

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发表于 2016-11-21 10:07:17 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
本帖最后由 Littlebush 于 2016-11-21 10:14 编辑 # \1 W0 w& r& Z8 c' O

$ |) l+ v0 K5 T, L: v7 _近期的NYT有这么一个句子Jared Kushner, the son-in-law of President-elect Donald Trump, has consulted with lawyers about the possibility of joining the new administration, a move that could run afoul of federal nepotism laws and would all but certainly invite legal challenges. 印象中consult doctor/lawyer等professional的时候应该是vt,查词典也是vt,那么这个consult with 是否属于误用?BTW,英语中的名词的数和动词的及物或非及物确实让人头痛。
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    [LV.9]以坛为家II

    发表于 2016-11-21 11:32:03 | 显示全部楼层
    consult 做及物动词是“咨询”,做不及物动词是“商量”,楼主又不查词典

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    发表于 2016-11-21 12:28:28 | 显示全部楼层
    本帖最后由 spearonsquare 于 2016-11-21 12:46 编辑 ! d8 O& S; M3 g) O6 c) X' t# m8 j

    9 S' g- v/ E' MLDOCE5:
    4 y) T6 |( |/ p/ @Consult: vt, vi+ u: g, N" C3 @, N# T( K. l! J: U
    to ask for information or advice from someone because it is their job to know something:
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    //If symptoms persist, consult a doctor without delay.
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      a' r1 _  o" o3 m8 G+ P& J6 Yconsult somebody about something
    ; Q# K% k( \$ T$ I' F//An increasing number of people are consulting their accountants about the tax laws.
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    //consult with:
    5 |+ R5 ]7 i; q$ t. OI need to consult with my lawyer.: N! |. S2 N/ ?& r

    . |) ^6 _5 M- Y- x* Z2 I//see/consult a lawyer (=talk to a lawyer for advice)  [8 ]6 J) m& @5 M4 S9 }; e+ C
    She has consulted a lawyer and is considering whether to sue Bailey., _# Y) U4 D: G! Y
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    , X  u* K6 s9 K; T+ o但是,WU:
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    4 M7 @+ Y; }& d7 c/ dto ask advice of : seek the opinion of : apply to for information or instruction0 P; b' ~+ q. v- N0 h. [
    consult a doctor about an ailment! T& F0 c$ V. b6 F& c& I- T
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    to take counsel : deliberate together : confer5 Y9 p0 c/ Z% p2 h
    after consulting with a lawyer+ z$ k  w( b; W' |. V

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    MW11:
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    - f5 I% C+ o$ ?# y9 h2 ~to ask the advice or opinion of
    8 N1 Z( h* j% f* consult a doctor
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    & L# R/ k8 h8 `' y4 D$ C, gto consult an individual

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     楼主| 发表于 2016-11-21 12:55:22 | 显示全部楼层
    本帖最后由 Littlebush 于 2016-11-21 13:06 编辑
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    * D) S0 W/ w! n# N0 g' N$ u2 S嗯,开始没查朗文,正确的usage应该是做查词典、地图等时时vt,做咨询、商量解时vt vi均可以,还可以这么理解,如果consult的是sb,vt vi均可以,consult的是sth,例如dictionary、map etc,vt,简单准确。
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    [LV.8]以坛为家I

    发表于 2016-11-21 15:40:45 | 显示全部楼层
    consult with 是属于北美用法

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    发表于 2016-11-21 16:00:48 | 显示全部楼层
    petergaoshanwei 发表于 2016-11-21 15:40- v$ d" v6 ^7 _7 L0 Z# `
    consult with 是属于北美用法
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    感谢peter的解释。. F' R& N; J2 {+ _. z% s
    的确有一点区别:
    8 l0 M% G% `4 s3 I4 Uhttp://forum.wordreference.com/t ... nsult-with.2262139/2 |4 E. V. }9 S! K3 P% G
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    If you consult with someone then you each consult the other, on an equal footing. For example:
    % s; ]7 _$ O; M2 b) B" D[*=1]"What time do you and your wife want to visit us this evening?"[*=1]"I don't know---I need to consult with her first"[*=1]The two of you then consult with each other to agree what answer to give.# x. f5 y7 Y: g0 F  _3 O# q3 U
    If you consult someone, they have some information or an opinion, and you go to them in order to get it from them. It only happens in one direction. For example:1 z- a  Y& h6 A1 f2 n6 K
    [*=1]If you feel ill, you should consult a doctor., x  N* }8 {8 m
    [*=1]To check the meaning of a word, I consult my dictionary.
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    [LV.3]偶尔看看II

    发表于 2016-11-21 22:21:56 | 显示全部楼层
    consult with sb (about/on sth)◆Consult with your physician about possible treatments.向你的醫生咨詢可行的治療方

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     楼主| 发表于 2016-11-22 11:14:56 | 显示全部楼层
    spearonsquare 发表于 2016-11-21 16:00
    / D- F6 C; Q! x- ]. K感谢peter的解释。
    , i" o. i# E1 Q/ ~( |( @' I! g& y( O9 t的确有一点区别:& \' C2 {( o. y* `, B
    http://forum.wordreference.com/threads/consult-and-consult-wi ...

    ) Y+ Y! p2 E0 i1 A6 D8 ~区别其实很微弱,也可以说没有区别。真正的要害在于:当做seek professional advice or discuss with sb to make a decision这2个意思解的时候,consult 或 consult with均可以,consult with也并非北美用法,我也经常看到美国的医学方面的报道用的consult your doctor这样的说法,btw,有人说doctor是英国的用法,美国说physician,但其实并非如此,美国也经常说doctor。All in all,语言这玩意很多时候没有特比clear-cut的distinction,这给user造成很大的困扰。

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    感谢,英语的确“特例”太多。  发表于 2016-11-22 15:03
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