一个例句语义的理解.

mossmoss13

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在Oxford Dictionary of English第3版,查revert这人词时,看到这样一个例句:
Teachers were shown in the early stages of their teaching after the training to be utilizing the ideas, but eventually they reverted to previous practices.
5 S- \- \5 [! T0 P. l问题要害: show的用法比较怪,
我理解语义为老师们用这些理念训练后体现在早期教学阶段,但是最终他们又回到以前的练习.
% a0 }' W& r% A  H4 f' @8 n; G! t求高手释义.

sabrina2111 发表于 2019-8-25 11:00
大侠你好，不是我想学，主要是我读着还挺顺口的。结果一查，还真有这样的用法。而且iWEB里shown doing 的 ...

; ]$ J+ d# b: j2 y3 n( \前一个指证明、表明；后一个是展现、（直观地）显示，有直观的画面感。
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klwo2

老师接受教学培训以后，刚开始确实是照着培训里说的方法教的，不过最后他们又回到了原先的教学方法

sabrina2111

楼主想问为什么这里show用被动吗？我想起灰色的天大侠也不知道是灰色书包大侠回答的一个有关seat的用法。因为都是及物动词，要么用被动，要么后面跟反身代词。
0 a& E4 K. o7 H6 `如此句：Teachers showed themselves in the early stages...这样改写是否容易理解？

你去哪里

be shown to be/do something
- N5 g  H7 W' @6 {0 Y4 u8 a The campaign has been shown to be a waste of money.
这次宣传活动结果证明是在浪费钱财。
$ E- U/ i( a- n The new treatment has been shown to reduce the number of deaths.
这种新疗法被证明可以减少死亡人数。

这是《朗文当代高级英语辞典》里面的例证

mossmoss13

sabrina2111 发表于 2019-8-20 18:15
楼主想问为什么这里show用被动吗？我想起灰色的天大侠也不知道是灰色书包大侠回答的一个有关seat的用法。因 ...

这样解释,心理上确实顺畅一点.我个人可能认为如果是:Teachers were shown teaching students in a new way  in the early stages of their teaching after the training to be utilizing the ieas, but...
但这太不地道,语言也许是外文的习惯, 不能强求逻辑. 感谢各位老师的答复!
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sabrina2111

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mossmoss13 发表于 2019-8-20 19:14
) L" M) v8 z; v! ^' ]这样解释,心理上确实顺畅一点.我个人可能认为如果是:Teachers were shown teaching students in a new way ...

那这样改可好？ Teachers were shown (to be) utilizing the ideas in the early stages of their teaching after the training, but eventually they reverted to previous practices.
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5 _6 ~; g+ g0 B4 i 你那个teaching students in a new way 不就是utilizing the ideas吗？
  r$ V! P0 s) ^% Y+ M9 F这里不加to be，直接用现在分词感觉也是可以的吧？？？求高人解答？
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mossmoss13

sabrina2111 发表于 2019-8-20 19:49
9 F  l7 M/ j  f' ]: j8 O( C" c那这样改可好？ Teachers were shown (to be) utilizing the ideas in the early stages of their teachin ...

赞一个, 比我改的好.我以为英文习惯于用Teachers were shown to utilize the ideas in the early stages of their teaching...

sabrina2111

mossmoss13 发表于 2019-8-20 20:49
" s% ]* m- t* C) Q赞一个, 比我改的好.我以为英文习惯于用Teachers were shown to utilize the ideas in the early stages o ...

/ k7 g! B; i" k表示正在进行的动作，这个没什么疑问。就是不知道用不定式和用现在分词，区别在哪里？感觉2个都可以！求大神进一步解答！

张琴琴

这里的show属于朗文词典中的这条用法：
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: c# _" x3 i4 y The campaign has been shown to be a waste of money.
0 D$ X' N  S& _: C2 \ The new treatment has been shown to reduce the number of deaths.

而这里后接的不定式可以等价于从句，但从句中的谓语却要使用相应的时态或情态动词，如：
) [  B: N/ w  O( s* JIt has been shown that the campaign IS a waste of money.
It has been shown that the new treatment CAN reduce the number of deaths.

8 L% [8 j% q( O; R* O9 A) @( I回到原句中，我们用从句表达可以是（注意以下不同时态所表达的时间含义不同)：
8 J% o7 x  m1 q5 pIt was shown that teachers had utilzied the ideas, but eventually they reverted to previous practices.
0 A( w0 ~( n+ i5 N7 h6 y; hIt was shown that teachers had been utilizing the ideas, but eventually they reverted to previous practices.
It was shown that teachers were utilizing the ideas, but eventually they reverted to previous practices.
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It was shown that teachers utilized the ideas, but eventually they reverted to previous practices.

所以原句
* U% W0 t  N" w0 n+ L% U) O9 ITeachers were shown to be utilizing/to have utilized 都是说得通的，却不能使用to utilize

sabrina2111

张琴琴 发表于 2019-8-24 16:32
这里的show属于朗文词典中的这条用法：
be shown to be/do something
: m+ @+ g! \9 a0 a$ X/ x: } The campaign has been shown to be  ...

6 l/ ~0 d5 c2 }% \" f0 {+ r+ X这位大侠，那teachers were shown utilizing是否正确？be shown doing 的例子减少，但也不是没有吧！

张琴琴

sabrina2111 发表于 2019-8-24 19:32
这位大侠，那teachers were shown utilizing是否正确？be shown doing 的例子减少，但也不是没有吧！ ...

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A strange, middle-aged man was seen entering the house to meet Ken's wife at 9 o'clock in the morning when her husband had gone to work.

但不说:
Those the Western press calls peaceful protesters were shown tussling with the police on the streets and vandalizing at subway stations and the airport.*

sabrina2111

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这句句子的 teachers were shown doing 为什么不正确呢？而且COCA里面，我看到有这样的搭配的啊！只是比较少，并不是没有啊！

张琴琴

sabrina2111 发表于 2019-8-24 21:07
这句句子的 teachers were shown doing 为什么不正确呢？而且COCA里面，我看到有这样的搭配的啊！只是比较 ...

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sabrina2111

张琴琴 发表于 2019-8-25 10:15
不要学rare的用法

/ h% q" S! m5 u$ o9 d大侠你好，不是我想学，主要是我读着还挺顺口的。结果一查，还真有这样的用法。而且iWEB里shown doing 的用法有100多个，也不算很少。我就不懂shown to be doing 和shown doing有什么区别？
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张琴琴

sabrina2111 发表于 2019-8-25 11:00
& k! ]4 z. O$ l  X- r大侠你好，不是我想学，主要是我读着还挺顺口的。结果一查，还真有这样的用法。而且iWEB里shown doing 的 ...

那你什么时候发现语料库以外的地方有这样使用的截个图给我看下吧。

sabrina2111

匿名者 发表于 2019-8-25 20:37
前一个指证明、表明；后一个是展现、（直观地）显示，有直观的画面感。
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5 Y. L& o2 _2 v- L. s; f; C谢谢大侠。这下清楚了！

SAP

那这个show在老师这里咋翻译呢？师范教学嘛？

sabrina2111

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SAP 发表于 2019-8-26 20:17
# u' x# c3 [+ M. ]8 h那这个show在老师这里咋翻译呢？师范教学嘛？

是prove的意思。证明，表明。
但是如果做示范解释。就像大侠说的。要直观，有画面感。我当时理解的是可以不直观，无画面感。
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SAP

我有种感觉是：introduce(new experience, to make sb learn about sth or do sth for the first time).  使尝试，使初次了解。