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[学习讨论] 张道真编《现代英语用法词典》阅读体会

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    [LV.10]以坛为家III

    发表于 2021-2-19 07:02:32 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
    作者在序言里说:“这书如何使用,不同人可作不同考虑......一般来说,通读一遍是有好处的,虽然不可能都记住,但可以留下较深印象,以后查考比较方便,在运用语言时可比较自觉。阅读时不宜象看小说一样一溜而过,最好是细嚼慢咽不抢速度。如果可能的话,还可把某些例句译为汉语进行对比。要发展听说及写作能力的人,最好做些记忆工作,以加深印象......”我就照他说的,通读了一遍。这套书共5本,5000多页,如果真象他说的那样“细嚼慢咽不抢速度”,恐怕要好几年才能读完。我没那个耐心,只是走马观花“一溜而过”,即使是这样,还是花了将近两星期才读完。是否留下“较深印象”不敢说,倒是有些体会值得一说。
    / ?, h! I/ G( @# {这本词典最大的特色就是例句多。例句对于理解词汇的确切含义和用法确实有很大帮助。记得我对common和ordinary,accurate和precise的区别,就完全是通过研读多条例句而理解的。但是光有例句也不行,总还要先知道词的释义。这本辞典的释义用的是中文,对于某些名词,中文释义简明扼要,比英文释义方便,但是对于动词和形容词就不好说了。
    + f; O/ X" x  Q% T7 ]/ L中文和英文几乎完全对应的例子不是没有,比如:
    + k# X4 B4 ~, E1 T3 {& ]" D" i命悬一线When he was ill, his life hung by a thread.
    0 m2 y6 L% `8 [# ]7 `1 u这就是几乎完全对应,用中文释义并不影响理解。
    * \4 a# J: Y4 e3 ]5 |; T0 Q但这样的例子毕竟是少数。比如论持久战on protracted war,这个protract如果光从中文释义来理解,恐怕就不够precise了。这时候就要查英语释义了,比如韦氏的解释是to prolong in time or space : CONTINUE。
      N& d- U- W% k* T% \1 w% U这个解释应该既accurate又precise了吧,但看了这个释义,或者背熟了这个释义甚至连同例句,你就真的理解了,能用了?我是还感觉似懂非懂的。2 E0 }, [4 ~5 G! i
    问题出在哪里?就是没有“感觉”。回想学习汉语的经验,那些词汇是怎么掌握的?最初或许是在课本上学到的,似懂非懂,然后在练习中,考试中用到,即使做对了,但自己写文章,仍然没有把握用。一直要到某天在某本书上看到一个例句,严格说是在某个段落,某个故事,总之是比句子更大的context里看到这个词,忽然“有感觉”了,从此,才算真正理解,并能运用了。
    ' X4 \& O5 c( t) r$ G所以我觉得学活用词汇,光是中文释义不够,加上英文释义,也不够,加上例句,也不够,需要更大的context,争取接触多了,在某个context中忽然获得了“感觉”,这才能掌握。
    " K, U& i. P0 ?先说这些,有机会再写。
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    [LV.10]以坛为家III

    发表于 2021-2-19 12:01:47 | 显示全部楼层
    为啥我看到的只有一本1000多页的?哪里来的五本?

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    发表于 2021-2-21 08:53:07 | 显示全部楼层
    I recommend a more ... practical way of practicing your English.
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    Write whatever you want to say in English. Be it your feelings about relationship with your boy/girlfriend, your regret about a mistake you made, or in this case, your review of a book that you think is worth the time. . P7 ]; R3 k2 S8 Q. D6 Y' C  T
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    Try it, and you'll enjoy it. 4 o9 k- G. t% V- I

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    [LV.6]常住居民II

    发表于 2021-2-21 15:32:11 | 显示全部楼层
    1209991128 发表于 2021-2-19 12:012 ?, {5 b7 u3 o# B$ \* p( ~
    为啥我看到的只有一本1000多页的?哪里来的五本?

    ! R$ ^! D& }4 c7 m  n4 w老版的是5本
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    [LV.10]以坛为家III

    发表于 2021-2-21 16:35:11 | 显示全部楼层
    218218 发表于 2021-2-21 15:326 L3 U, J6 v. U3 e9 k% B4 O
    老版的是5本

    . S  m7 c5 X5 _新版好像只有英文例句,没有中文译文?
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    [LV.3]偶尔看看II

    发表于 2021-2-24 02:40:46 | 显示全部楼层
    新版好像只有英文例句,没有中文译文?

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    发表于 2021-2-27 15:07:46 | 显示全部楼层
    有没有电子版的?张道真也是海归一枚,那个年代的学者,治学普遍很严谨,应该还是靠谱的
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    [LV.10]以坛为家III

     楼主| 发表于 2021-2-28 22:23:56 | 显示全部楼层
    本帖最后由 badnumber 于 2021-3-1 00:05 编辑
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    pan 发表于 2021-2-21 08:53
    + f" ]* E, k/ X/ `6 w( B& QI recommend a more ... practical way of practicing your English.
    , d6 L2 n- z$ J0 Y, G; c/ D5 h. F1 s& y4 N* [* C
    Write whatever you want to say in ...

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    Thank you for your comment. "Once upon a time", I kept a short diary every day for around half a year. But it didn't seem to significantly improve my written English. Later I found out it's because my vocabulary, not words that I can only recognize but words that I can use in speaking and writing, was still limited. So writing practice alone is not enough to improve my writing. That's why I attempted to enlarge my "working" vocabulary in a couple of ways, including reading word usage dictionaries. But it didn't seem to work. Now I'm exploring more ways.
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    [LV.10]以坛为家III

     楼主| 发表于 2021-2-28 22:24:41 | 显示全部楼层
    littlebush123 发表于 2021-2-27 15:07
    1 h; K) Y  e7 f有没有电子版的?张道真也是海归一枚,那个年代的学者,治学普遍很严谨,应该还是靠谱的 ...

    1 y8 N# P$ \( f5 s4 }- s论坛里有扫描版(重排本,5000多页缩印为1700多页)

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    发表于 2021-3-1 08:50:53 | 显示全部楼层
    badnumber 发表于 2021-2-28 22:23
    - H$ z& [/ h& F- x1 m6 A. k7 iThank you for your comment. "Once upon a time", I kept a short diary every day for around half a y ...
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    Hi Badnumber,
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    . G1 }. o9 Z; J5 o6 @It's a nice surprise to receive a message that is written in English here. I had decided not to participate in any discussions, but your message made me change my mind.
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    In my previous message I meant to point out that one has to keep using what he learns in everyday communications; that's how we keep the language fresh and alive. By "using the language" I referred to chatting with others, by way of voice chatting or "thumbs-chatting", and by writing on a forum such as this one. It's different from reading and hearing all by yourself. I am not saying reading and listening is not important; it's just that you still have to strike a balance between "inhaling" and "exhaling".
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    That explains for your frustration about keeping a diary-writing habit not being the most helpful way. Writing a diary is still helpful, actually, but that is hardly better than a monologue, a soliloquy; you're your own audience. Therefore, the solution to that issue is staring us in the face: talk to or write to someone, rather than yourself, someone who can talk you back or write you back, preferrably a native English speaker. Go as deep into the subject as your English would allow. You will practice what you have learned, and will pick up new expressions along the way. 8 l# R% j3 |  I" G, t) r

    5 J  D2 D4 ^. t9 A, q/ pAnyway, it's my humble learning experience talking. It has worked for me like a charm, and I hope you'll find it helpful, too.
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    0 y6 C$ @2 u  R7 {8 p: \! aPan.
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    [LV.10]以坛为家III

     楼主| 发表于 2021-3-1 09:54:30 | 显示全部楼层
    pan 发表于 2021-3-1 08:50& a" z- a* |0 v
    Hi Badnumber, & U" q5 Z" W4 F4 @4 M7 ~( L

    ! h4 G* v; v5 a3 t( rIt's a nice surprise to receive a message that is written in English here. I had d ...

    ; m5 P6 i7 `9 _9 bI think you have a point in the importance of communicating with others in English rather than a monologue.0 a1 x& E4 `* g1 l
    Actually I have to use English in my daily work and I think my English is sufficient to deal with the routines. But I know my English is just a bit above the elementary level and would like to make it better, not for materialistic purpose but just for kind of self-satisfaction. Or I may say that I don't quite like English, but after all I did spend a lot of time learning that, which somehow ties me with English.

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    发表于 2021-3-1 12:47:13 | 显示全部楼层
    Well, from the way you delve so deep in those heavy tomes, I'd say you seem to have a passion in English. 9 x* i6 I6 X0 Y- T% c+ B

    * S' K1 H* y% K4 p  a# xI can say unabashedly that I love the language, but I balk at the idea of poring over such books. :D 9 G& E$ M, F) K' A4 C  W9 u

    ( q, N! w, v) ]& _Anyway, whatever tickles your fancy.   k3 i' S, D. X0 t) Y
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    Pan.
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